Westminstenders: Flextension

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Just wrote an intro and wiped it. So this is as quick as I can sum up.

EU response is extension to 22nd May if May passes her deal by 29th March

Or an unconditional extension to 12 April which could be extended with a plan and understanding to take part in EU elections.

This isn't what may wanted. It gives her less time and leverage

It opens up the possibility of her being ousted as PM in the next couple of days. Graham Brady asked her to quit on Monday. Remain Cabinet ministers are threatening to quit if May whips a vote to support no deal.

The talk is May has indeed flipped to supporting no deal with many think she's pretty much gone full on Colonel Kurtz.

The EU are in effect supporting parliamentary sovereignty and are being incredibly reasonable.

May now has to decide whether to accept.

The whole situation looks explosive and likely that one half of the cabinet or the other are on the brink of walking. And May's power is so shattered.

However she remains the gatekeeper and as it stands if she's hell bent on no deal, it will be extremely difficult for Parliament to prevent that.

So.

Yokel here.

Wtf do I do to get to the March??

Can't afford the train fare, no room left on the local buses.

So if I got a lift to London where would I need to be dropped?

(Clueless)

She was just playing a very dangerous game, playing on fears, pitting the mob and herself against Parliament.

English kings have lost their heads in circumstances like this.

I've got to be honest. May doing this and looking like she has totally lost it is possibly one of the reasons the EU stepped up and were very accommodating.

We have 'potential to have a civil war' written all over us. We are that politically unstable presently and its questionable how stable May herself currently is.

Anna Soubry has been warned not to go home this weekend as police fear for her safety that much

And this happened yesterday

Lloyd Russell-Moyle @ lloydrm
I was out today in the street of Kemptown with @itvnews, a vast majority want to remain and have a final say vote on deal vs remain. Unfortunately at the end of the day a man came up and started shouting at the TV crew and me. Saying MPs are the problems & we are traitors.

He tried to assault me, grabbed & bent my glasses and for a moment I thought he was going to hit me. 3 grown men had to prise him off me. This is not normal, I’m representing my constituents but @theresa_may has whipped up fear and division with her speech last night

A minory will fall for hate or division of May but attack’s like this afternoons will not make me frit. Only by standing up & not pandering will we gain decency for our nation. One way to stand up to fear is to join the march on Saturday & demand a #FinalSay and @Another_Europe

He's the MP for Kemptown and Peacehaven.

Bellini -I plan to spend my day off today listening to the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and

Weird- we started reading this with DD on Wednesday!

Notification that an intergalactic motorway was being built through the planet would at least make us feel better about the U.K. being pulled apart.

To 67chevvyimpala,
International woman of language (bad), you need to get out more, taking the family of course!

"Don't be daft. The average person in EU/rest of the world is barely paying attention - their countries have their own problems"
Well, even if they do have problems, many still have opinions on the UK and Brexit. Where I live, the mood seems to be changing against the UK. Though Macron isn't popular at the moment, his stance re Brexit seems to be generally supported by the " average person " and I'm starting to hear a lot more negative things against Brexit and The UK shenanigans.

Seriously, is Paul MacKenna still alive? I'm actually only half joking about getting him on national telly to wake up all of the weird ones still banging on about WW2 etc. Or is he a rabid leaver too? I wonder how much he was paid by Leave?

He wasn't paid by vote leave. He was paid for by leave.eu. He is mates with Aaron Banks

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He was used to consult with a video but insists he didn't hypnotise anyone (cos that would be illegal). But he would know how to psychologically manipulate people better than most PR and advertising professionals.

"Don't be daft. The average person in EU/rest of the world is barely paying attention - their countries have their own problems"
I think you would be surprised - many people in EU are angry that their tax money is going to be spent clearing up our mess. A poster yesterday mentioned this and this morning I've seen 3 friends on FB posting similar posts.

I'd be suitably embarrassed going abroad as I was after the referendum.

Mockers reminded me. Where are the men in suits? (I cannot believe I am saying this.) Aren't Julian Smith and Graham Brady part of them?

DS and I love the hitchhiker's guide.

@davidallengreen
ESTRAGON: Well, shall we leave on 29 March 2019?
VLADIMIR: Yes, let's leave on 29 March 2019.
(They do not leave on 29 March 2019.)

Oh yes I remember that now!

:)

Red ah I suspected it was Mr Banks (as long as it's not illegal ) I just wonder why we haven't had someone try to counter it? I really can't understand how my friend is still so venomous and ranty about it all when she used to be fairly logical. It sounds extreme but tbf nothing surprises me anymore.

Though Macron isn't popular at the moment, his stance re Brexit seems to be generally supported by the " average person " and I'm starting to hear a lot more negative things against Brexit and The UK shenanigans

Macron is conscious of the international far right white supremist (and mainly English speaking) fascist movement which firmly has him in their sights. The UK tipping further towards that due to Brexit is a security risk to France. If only (and I believe I need to spell this out these days) because England is quite close to France in distance.

67chevvyimpala Have you tried the getmetothemarch fund?

In terms of being dropped off, which direction are you coming from? How far in would someone be able to drop you off?

He was used to consult with a video but insists he didn't hypnotise anyone (cos that would be illegal). But he would know how to psychologically manipulate people better than most PR and advertising professionals.

Then we need Derren Brown! Battle Of The Hypnotists!

Only slightly less farcical than the current situation...

Oh wow Red ! When I read these words "We have 'potential to have a civil war' written all over us.", that took me right back to a discussion I had with an article xfriend of mine ( from my childhood) pre Brexit. As I listened to her rantings about foreigners and Europe for the umpteenth time, I heard myself say "If your opinions are typical and people don't work out how to get beyond this way of thinking, it sounds to me like you're heading for civil war". I thought what I said was over the top. I expected to be stood corrected.

No PMK is better than a bad PMK

I just wonder why we haven't had someone try to counter it?

Because once it's done youve already effectively brain washed and you can't just 'undo' it.

I remember watching on the 24th June the FB vid with the nuclear explosion leave. EU put out because I truly recognised it for the first time for what it was and knew we were in trouble. Military grade PS ops propaganda (and went a little bit panicked on MN about it) Up until then I knew political propaganda but that vid had alsorts of extreme psychological techniques in it.

And that one wasn't the McKenna vid. I'm not entire sure which one was. It was heavily put on social media the weekend after Jo Cox...

PMK

leclerc I signed up but no one has got back to me :(

I don't go to that there London very often! :)

kitten we are coming from the middle. Dh happy to drop off (he will meet up with a friend and have a day out) but no idea where to drop, congestion charges....

We would have to leave here at about 9am I think.

What time does it end (for those who have marched before?)

"The UK tipping further towards that due to Brexit is a security risk to France. If only (and I believe I need to spell this out these days) because England is quite close to France in distance."
You're right Red. And this weekend could be really tough in France. Security is being ramped up towards violent " casseurs" in the Gilets Jaunes.

Pmk

Groovie, I try not to think about the civil war stuff as I don't find it good for my mental health. The day after the ref I talked to my parents and said I feared it a possibility. If you know the history of the Bosnian war or Syrian war then you can see similar patterns (the bbcs House of assad doc was very good. It was amazing how a weak leader was a disaster for the country and how his wife being liberal and not understanding the culture didn't help matters. He made promises to both liberals and authoritarians then went back on them. Then after a protest tried to shut down more and went in extremely heavy handed and it all went downhill from there with different factions trying to sieze control).

What troublesome with amendments being put down and parliament trying to seize control is the creation of psrralel governance.

Leave. EU leadership know their history and how to exploit this. Their aim is to create chaos and destabilise. In some senses the movement to take control from may and back to parliament plays exactly too that.

I don't want to alarm anyone unnecessarily but this is one of the reasons I favour(ed) he WA ultimately even though its shit. It defused matters. May has now somewhat weaponised it with her bullying of Parliament which potentially makes even that toxic.

Do I think we will have a civil war? The British mentally generally is too apathetic for it and it is the nuclear most extreme scenario. I don't think we will get that far, but we could walk a long way down that road and England could end up a lot like NI was in bad times if we do not tread very carefully.

I agree red

Totally.

chevvy you can book an NCP car parking space eg: Portman Square by Hyde Park in advance online You'd have to pay congestion charge as well obvs.

They fill up fast though!

^Parliamentarians should ignore their party whips and vote in the national interest, Conservative MP Nick Boles has said.

It comes ahead of what is expected to be a crucial week in deciding the next stages of Brexit in Parliament.

Speaking on BBC Radio 4's Today programme, Mr Boles accused the prime minister of "refusing to discuss alternatives and refusing to allow Conservative MPs to vote for alternatives".

Asked if there was some evidence the prime minister might be persuaded to allow free votes on so-called indicative votes, he said: “I don’t know about that, she’s certainly been told by many in her cabinet that she should.”

He then added: “MPs need to start taking responsibility for the national interest and ignoring the whip, if the whip is one that is profoundly contrary to the national interest.^

What is in the national interest now? I think voting through her WA would mean legitimising her behaviour as PM and I don’t believe that is something MPs can do.

Even if a very similar deal does pass long term it cannot be done in her name

Dh wants to avoid the charge and not keen on marching tbh

I think his plan is to drop us as close as poss