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Westminstenders: Flextension

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RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 22:37

Just wrote an intro and wiped it. So this is as quick as I can sum up.

EU response is extension to 22nd May if May passes her deal by 29th March

Or an unconditional extension to 12 April which could be extended with a plan and understanding to take part in EU elections.

This isn't what may wanted. It gives her less time and leverage

It opens up the possibility of her being ousted as PM in the next couple of days. Graham Brady asked her to quit on Monday. Remain Cabinet ministers are threatening to quit if May whips a vote to support no deal.

The talk is May has indeed flipped to supporting no deal with many think she's pretty much gone full on Colonel Kurtz.

The EU are in effect supporting parliamentary sovereignty and are being incredibly reasonable.

May now has to decide whether to accept.

The whole situation looks explosive and likely that one half of the cabinet or the other are on the brink of walking. And May's power is so shattered.

However she remains the gatekeeper and as it stands if she's hell bent on no deal, it will be extremely difficult for Parliament to prevent that.

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Tr1skel1on · 22/03/2019 23:08

ps Thanks Bellini, your prepping info has been invaluable, very much appreciated

GroovieGazelloo · 22/03/2019 23:09

OMG - look what's popped up on my screen!!
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There's no messing with Uri !!

LonelyTiredandLow · 22/03/2019 23:09

Oh and i'm also rather intrigued Uri stepped up after my early morning "revelation" that we need to wake up the hypnotised masses Grin

GroovieGazelloo · 22/03/2019 23:10

( 🌟🌟🌟 for Chevy)

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 23:11

Youcantscareme Your mate is totally wrong:

This is a very useful blog to explain the WTO myth and correct her illusions

http://chrisgreybrexitblog.blogspot.de/2017/02/the-myth-of-wto-option.html

…The implication is that these countries simply trade on WTO terms. They do not.

In fact, such countries trade via a complex web of Mutual Recognition Agreements (MRAs) which are principally concerned with removing the non-tariff barriers to trade which are, in most cases, far more important than tariffs.

Each MRA is a highly technical and, in most cases, lengthy document and the outcome of long periods of negotiation.

The USA, for example, has some 135 MRAs with the EU, and China has 65.

The EU has 40 FTAs covering 70 countries with about 1/3 of the world GDP and about 800 other kinds of deals with many other countries

On Brexit with no deal / WTO, the UK loses all these, as well as the best deal with its biggest trading partner: the EU

BettySundaes · 22/03/2019 23:12

Signing off for the night. A bottle of wine and some "Last Leg" as lite relief. Just wanted to wish everyone coming to the march in London tomorrow safe journeys and hope they are buoyed by meeting likeminded individuals in RL and find some positives to move forward with.

For anyone who is in two minds, this will be a day when Londoners talk to each other, children are welcome, you can pick up a banner en route, so don't make excuses come join US.

woodpigeons · 22/03/2019 23:13

I'll be thinking of you all tomorrow and wishing I was there.
Hopefully I'll spot some red toothbrushes in the news feed.
Oh, and I saw on f acebook.that an officer serving in Afghanistan had signed the petition.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 23:13

We currently have sanctions on Russia, because of its actions in the Ukraine
So no deals there

JustAnotherPoster00 · 22/03/2019 23:17

Good luck to everyone tomorrow my heart and spirit goes with you all wish I could be there physically

CordeliaEarhart · 22/03/2019 23:23

Thanks RTB. So TM cannot feasibly resign until the SI moving the "crash out" date has been completed as we would, effectively, be without a leader of the government and only the government are able to table an SI?

Sorry for the millions of questions, I hate that I'm so ignorant of how our government works and I really want to learn.

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 23:27

Don't worry, Cordelia May doesn't know either and she's the bloody PM

BercowsSilkTie · 22/03/2019 23:29

@CordeliaEarhart never be afraid to ask questions. An inquiring mind is a great thing. Mine has got me into a lot of trouble over the years but has taught me a great deal in the last few months on these threads. Read, ask, google, ask some more, google some more, learn some more. My interest in politics in pretty new (about 2 years) and I'm not very up on things but learning more every day and teaching my mum and children as I go along. Politics should be part of the national curriculum.

PestyMachtubernahme · 22/03/2019 23:32

Tr1skel1on you got a fishing rod?
There's always herring. DH says plant some potatoes.
traa-dy-liooar
Hopefully it won't be too horrid to be at the end of the supply line. Ireland will probably be sympathetic.

LarkDescending · 22/03/2019 23:34

Lots of detail on amending “Exit Day” from The Hansard Society.

CourageCallsToCourage · 22/03/2019 23:34

I'm on my way! Thank you all so much for these threads; they've been a lifeline. Pretty sure the specially organised Scottish coaches are all under way now too, so the Scottish remainers are officially on the move! Here's to tomorrow!

PestyMachtubernahme · 22/03/2019 23:35

On a more sensible note, DH is worried about his family also.

prettybird · 22/03/2019 23:36

A belated Blush Lovely to see you back on here Woman19 Smile

You know my RL name, so if you've got space on a placard, it would be lovely if you could add "+ Prettybird or my real name from Glasgow" Grin

I really wish I could've come down. And I should've thought to send some of my fabulous Wink tablet down to Westmimistenders as concentrated energy for the March! Grin

LarkDescending · 22/03/2019 23:38

The process to amend the definition of exit day can be initiated by a Minister of the Crown (not necessarily the PM) - section 20(4) of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018.

Trekkingbeyond · 22/03/2019 23:42

So in awe of folk travelling far distances, god speed to you all and see you tomorrow!! xx

LonelyTiredandLow · 22/03/2019 23:45

FFS I've got Spoonman by Soundgarden going around in my head thanks to Uri now.

I think the lyrics are:
Spoonman, come together with your hands
Save me, I'm together with your plan
Save meeeeee

Which seems really rather apt! Grin

BigChocFrenzy · 22/03/2019 23:49

If a PM dies or resigns

The Cabinet would meet and elect an interim PM

So long as he / she can command a majority in the House for NC motions, they stay PM

  • with a hung Parliament this is less certain than with a government having a working majority

Another problem would be if the Cabinet disagree on the choice - as they've disagreed on most other issues !

There would have to be a leadership contest under party rules as soon as feasible,
but in a crisis - which this is - that would hopefully be delayed until the crisis is over

I have long thought that our Constitution should be updated to make Deputy PM a compulsory position in every Cabinet:

With middle-aged PMs in high-stress jobs, death or incapacity are not unlikely
and although a leisurely election process might have worked until the mid-20th century,
events now can move so fast that every PM needs an officially designated successor.

tobee · 23/03/2019 00:00

Who was in charge when Cameron resigned? I refused to read or see any news after the referendum result for some time and I've forgotten.

RedToothBrush · 23/03/2019 00:01

Where do Crown Dependencies fit in to this mess?

Can anyone more knowledgeable than me point me to some useful info?

Errr... It's probably good that you have a decent stockpile...

Sorry to be flippant but honestly, I'm guessing civil service will have a contingency for remote area and it'll have some sort of full on military involvement for practical reasons because as you say, you are so far down the food chain in political terms as well as supply lines. Which would probably mean total radio silence until it has to be engaged to prevent panic.

So TM cannot feasibly resign until the SI moving the "crash out" date has been completed as we would, effectively, be without a leader of the government and only the government are able to table an SI?

The timetable is as such that if they tried to oust her, the rules mean she would still be PM until close to the 12th. And yes since there needs to be SIs put forward early next week, that needs to be sorted first.

I think there are a couple of days left where she could be removed to get a new PM before the twelfth but only after the Si is complete. The problem is then who replaces her. Brexiteers will not want a remain MP and vice versa so an annointment of a new leader is unlikely and a Tory election contest and everything needed to prevent a 12th April crash out are potentially unfeasible. (but then this is the Tory party so who knows).

Practically speaking, if the Cabinet do wish to avoid no deal, it pretty much does leave Liddington as the de facto only option, propping up May for now. And even that will only be because frankly things are that dire and both Remainers and Brexiteers think she's more or less a danger to them and the country. As in, she's pretty much been forcefully been removed due to her going Colonel Kurtz on them. She doesn't have the support of the backbench (we know Brady’s been to visit) and she doesn't have support of Cabinet as they would have spoken today if they did.

All day even ultra loyalists like Rory Stewart and Kwasi Kwertang have been going off script spouting opinions of what she should do, whilst just about holding the government line.

Quite honestly especially after her performance at the EU summit and in recent days, that could well be where we are at. The EU would not openly be leaking stuff about how they had to make up plan B for her, if it wasn't close to that stage. It'd be too dangerous for them to undermine her in that way. It's clear they have been trying to actively prop her up for a couple of weeks.

If the Cabinet are now simply trying to hold the Tory party together and prevent no deal, I'm not sure it would look or feel much different.

I do think that the Cabinet is likely to have no real ultimately committed No Dealers at this point, despite what they might say as if they were they would have already resigned. The thing that's kept them in government to this point, to all intents and purposes, has essentially been a united goal to prevent no deal and to keep the party together despite their huge differences.

Personal ambition would dictate that if they were committed no dealers they'd have marked themselves as that by now, to the rest of the party. These are the Compromise Candidates. They are not the hardliners.

I could be reading it wrong, but I can't rationally logic out alternative explanations.

The writing is on the wall, even for May. Simply because she has no plan at all and is obviously now completely out of her depth and struggling.

It's desparate and very worrying.

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RedToothBrush · 23/03/2019 00:14

SI vote Monday / Tuesday latest. Then a podium about 6pm? Or just more limping for 3 weeks?

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