Westminstenders: Flextension

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Just wrote an intro and wiped it. So this is as quick as I can sum up.

EU response is extension to 22nd May if May passes her deal by 29th March

Or an unconditional extension to 12 April which could be extended with a plan and understanding to take part in EU elections.

This isn't what may wanted. It gives her less time and leverage

It opens up the possibility of her being ousted as PM in the next couple of days. Graham Brady asked her to quit on Monday. Remain Cabinet ministers are threatening to quit if May whips a vote to support no deal.

The talk is May has indeed flipped to supporting no deal with many think she's pretty much gone full on Colonel Kurtz.

The EU are in effect supporting parliamentary sovereignty and are being incredibly reasonable.

May now has to decide whether to accept.

The whole situation looks explosive and likely that one half of the cabinet or the other are on the brink of walking. And May's power is so shattered.

However she remains the gatekeeper and as it stands if she's hell bent on no deal, it will be extremely difficult for Parliament to prevent that.

@LouiseCollins28

It was TM.

In response to Cable saying No Deal would cause people pain.

icannotremember sorry, fat fingers. Also responsible for my earlier Darren Brown rather than Derran. I’m sure Darren Brown, whoever he is, is also a perfectly nice man but possibly less useful up against Paul McKenna.

Can we just clear this up. Using psychological weapons against the population - even for 'good' things isn't a bright idea. It always comes back to this idea of who decides what's a good thing and why it should be promoted. Ultimately this is a technique to remove power from the populas by using population control methods. This always works against the people.

Not only this, once you have effectively 'programmed' a group of people them almost become immune to the counter programming. The programming they receive is designed to react to the opposite as an attack on them personally and their sense of identity.

It only therefore serves to programme - or radicalise - another group of people who were not previously affected by the first wave of programming. So now you have two groups of radicalised and polarised people.

And guess what, that's exactly what we do have because guess what the far left and their media organisations like Norovirus Media have been doing. Corbyn's 2017 election campaign had similar psychological tricks and it was freely admitted that he was being like Trump to win certain votes.

So how do you combate that.

Sadly deprogramming those who have been radicalised is a slow and laborious task with no quick fix. (quick fixes are never solutions to complex political problems - stop looking for them as it makes you part of the problem. If you see one, do some critical thinking about whether it really gets to the heart of the issue). You have to slowly sympathetise and chip away at things from an angle rather than taking them in a full on frontal as that gets the heckles up and looks confrontational and provokes that exact emotional response to people.

You have to build the rational argument up slowly to dismantle the emotional one.

No easy solutions.

Can we now put hypnotists and psychological warefare to bed, as it just does not work. Hard work and persistence and moderation us the only thing that ultimately does.

Do you, Louise? Whilst I acknowledge it's second-hand reporting, what is it about May's conduct recently that makes you 'seriously, seriously doubt' she could say that?

Vince Cable may be useless but I don't think he's a liar.

3,047,041 signatures well 5 million by tomorrow? Keep signing!

Nigel Evans saying on the state broadcaster's TV news that "We're always told that the EU leaves it to the last minute before coming to a deal"

No you twat . You keep saying that the EU leaves it to the last minute . Those that know the EU say that in trade deals and for 3rd countries (which is what we will be), they are prepared and resolute and don't leave things to the last minute.

It's why the US and the Orange One hate the EU.

And it's why the UK is having such problems - they started the negotiations from the wrong premise

Ha ha

* Other Lonely-said-Just back to say Cable is going to be the one who gets grief from Leavers for quoting the PM on the "pain". They simply won't believe it and say it is Remain Propaganda.*

Minutes later..
However, she suggests that the Prime Minister said it, which I seriously, seriously doubt.

I believe old Vince over some Leave posters on here any day.

I am trying to find a confirmation one way or the other. I thought I'd seen it in the Guardian's politics live blog (saying that, from Vince Cable as source, that TM did say this) but I've been back and I can't find it for the life of me.

Nigel Farage back in frontline politics as Brexit Party leader
www.bbc.com/news/amp/uk-politics-47668067?__twitter_impression=true
Nigel Farage back in frontline politics as Brexit Party leader

In a surprise to precisely no one, he has dumped the debt ridden UKIP, ousted the Brexit Party leader for islamophobic so he can start over again on a clean slate whilst pretending he's not a fascist.

Why the BBC are referring to a party that was only recently formed on the fringes and has no seats apart from the ones Farage brings with him, as return to being on the frontline is quite another matter...

Westministenders Abbreviations:

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It was Vince who told us about Jezza throwing his toys out the pram over Chukka at the same meeting.

That wasn't believed.

Until Labour put out a flipping statement saying it was indeed true.

I do believe she said it-the people voted for the pain.

Louise

mobile.twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1109052365850714113

Being loose lipped is Vince's main/only strength.

Number 10 saying that they'll bring MVIII back when there is a good chance of it passing is very worrying if TM insits on MVIII before allowing a vote on other options. Can't we kick her out somehow please? I hate how she has all the power and I fear she'll once again undemocratically waste time on purpose to waste this last chance we've been given. It is sooooo maddening 😡

Is it just me who finds this BBC headline a little off?

"Brexit: EU wins itself some breathing space"

www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-47663212

Thank you @GroovieGazelloo for the indicative vote link!

Why is the NF story front page news.

When the Greens switched to joint party leadership it was on page 7!!!

I’m pages behind now, but in case no-one else has posted this, Faisal Islam put up a longer clip of the exchange with Vince Cable on Twitter:

twitter.com/faisalislam/status/1109052365850714113

PM says People voted for pain

Thank you, that was what I was looking for.

Nig's best protection against Mueller is to be in a position of political importance in the UK.

Just, y'know, saying.

He can then use it for political gain as if he is the victim of a Liberal elite political conspiracy. Framing himself as the man of the people. In precisely the way May attempted on national TV, not two days ago.

Just y'know saying.

The PM and half the Tory cabinet see profit to be made from people voting for the pain.

I don't see why Leave posters or politicians would deny thus? It's the best leave argument there is. Yes all stats show the economy taking a hit but it's not about the economy. It's an effective standpoint.

LonelyTiredandLow It's amazing how your perception changes once you get into the habit

I know that there are good journalists within it, but they operate within the filter of being part of the state broadcasting, with constraints guidelines set from above.

It's also interesting seeing the difference between what they report "officially" on the news and what they blog or include in their podcasts.

I know of a lot of good journalists who've ended up leaving the organisation, or commentators who now refuse invitations, because of those constraints. Lesley Riddoch, Jim Spence, Iain McWhirter are 3 from a Scottish perspective.

Sorry, wasn’t meant seriously. I clearly need to either not attempt humour or work on my delivery.

Haha. Well this is 2019. In my defence satire was killed off a couple of years ago. And I'm kinda jaded by the search for magical unicorns who fart political stability.

Kate McCann @kateemccann
Understand Number 10 now seriously considering indicative votes on Brexit next week. Government source tells me there could be 7 options: PM deal, revocation, second ref, deal + customs union, deal + customs + single market, FTA or no deal

Source says No10 in “panic mode”. Meaningful vote would still be held, but expectation is it will fail. Indicative votes would follow. Kwasi Kwarteng hinted this morning any such votes would be ‘free votes’ - not whipped.

Ed Chivers @ edwardchivers
Rory Stewart just backed that up on #politicslive
“Logically speaking, if Parliament is to express its view on Wednesday, it should be free to express it view.”

Logically speaking, when you have Kwertang (leave) and Stewart (remain) both government ministers, both openly saying this (which technically would be their personal opinion not a line from No10), then she's got no other choice.

I'm sure she'll try and game it, but she's lost control. Not sure we need a vote to pass this power to parliament now. But it may still happen to try and limit her gaming.