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Westminstenders: The Last Rites

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RedToothBrush · 20/03/2019 23:52

After May's disastrous speech to the nation, we've hit the impasse once and for all.

She managed to enrage everyone from Brexiteers to hard Remainers and everyone in between. It was so poorly judged it's difficult to know where to begin. It just feeds the division and anger in our society in all quarters.

It's also massively undermines her appeal to the EU for an extension. If France thought we were a political basket case they were well shot of, and didn't want more social contagion from before 8pm, then they certainly won't have changed their minds since.

May's speech was that of a would be dictator. After next Friday, she effectively has both the justification and the power to act upon those instincts. She has spoken out against parliamentary democracy and consistently disregarded the law.

It's hard to see any outcome but no deal with no extension at this point. We are no waiting on a miracle to save us and that's no more than a forlorn hope. Something we hold on to, until reality presents itself.

The Last Rites of British Democracy have been served this week.

And now we face the wait for what seems now inevitable.

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GroovieGazelloo · 21/03/2019 16:10

There are 86400 seconds in a day. The rate of signature for the revoke A50 petition is presently somewhere around 40 per second. Time to 17.4M? Approx 5 days - and that's with ignoring the votes already in!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 21/03/2019 16:14

of course we won't get an even distribution of votes like that, but it's nice to imagine.

Littlespaces · 21/03/2019 16:17

Great Grannycake. I'm travelling on the Hogwarts Express.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 21/03/2019 16:17

You'll need to take Freddos and jellybeans for the Hogwarts express.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 16:20

Having overplayed their hand the Tory Backbenchers cannot depose her, and if they did they'd get Johnson.

Johnson is nowhere near as popular with the Tory party as a whole as he is with the public. So his becoming leader is not a given. And that's before you add in my feeling that the next Tory leader needs to be totally expendable in order to become the scapegoat for the next but one to ride all over. This is why May - against all logic - is not only still there, but there securely.

There's also the late-in-the-day realisation of the DUP that any new Tory leader will give less of a shit about NI than the English electorate (if that's possible) and they might suddenly see the underside of a bus with £350 million on the side.

GroovieGazelloo · 21/03/2019 16:20

Every little counts.Wink

icannotremember · 21/03/2019 16:21

Never been used in the first place. But May has ruled out EP elections which Kyle-Wilson entails...

I forgot it had never actually been tabled.

On what basis is MV3 even going to happen though?

1tisILeClerc · 21/03/2019 16:21

For many reasons I shouldn't bother asking but what is 'Our Theresa' going to achieve with her (mythical) extension until June that she can't achieve by 23rd May? If she can't get the WA through by May 23rd, what else can she do? Put the HoC on the naughty step until they agree?

BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2019 16:23

DG Do you mean no formal Leadership contest - they've always had a leader

The Party leader used to be just a matter for Tory MPs to agree informally amongst themselves

Alec Douglas Home, early 1960s, was the last to be annointed; he was a nice bloke - my mum adored him - but unsuited to the rough and tumble of GE politics
He looked - and was - a total amateur against Harold Wilson

His successor, in about1965 was Ted Heath, the first to be appointed after a formal leadership contest among MPs

The rot set in after they allowed their party members to have the final say - without noticing that the party in the country has become an isolate batshit clique.

BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2019 16:27

LeClerc imo, the 30 June request, instead of the 22/23 May that she knew the EU were offereing,
is a clear sign she is preparing for No Deal when the WA fails

- it's just to give more prep time for No Deal

No, she won't Revoke on her own. I've taken down the 2% chance I had allocated to that event.
Even if the HoC voted revoke, she might resign rather than do so

BigChocFrenzy · 21/03/2019 16:28

The new EP formally commences on 1 July, so she is asking for the max possible time to prep for No Deal after her WA fails gain

RhubarbCrumbled · 21/03/2019 16:30

PMK

Hasenstein · 21/03/2019 16:32

Even if the HoC voted revoke, she might resign rather than do so

Sorry, not seeing the downside in this.

RedToothBrush · 21/03/2019 16:32

BCF I had thought that asking for 30th June was odd. Yes that's the only way it makes sense.

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TalkinPaece · 21/03/2019 16:32

I go away for one night and 570 posts happen !!!

Lots of people at the petrol station filling up 5 litre cans with their fuel in he last few days .....

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 16:34

DG Do you mean no formal Leadership contest - they've always had a leader

In which case, yes Grin ...

Mistigri · 21/03/2019 16:36

Johnson is nowhere near as popular with the Tory party as a whole as he is with the public.

This isn't correct. He's popular with the constituency parties but not with the parliamentary party. I don't know about the public in general but I think his star is waning.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 16:39

Lots of people at the petrol station filling up 5 litre cans with their fuel in he last few days

What could possibly go wrong ? Sad

WaterQuarter · 21/03/2019 16:43

I don't know about the public in general but I think his star is waning.

He's been doing his act for so long now that I think/hope enough people are tired of it. Long shot, but I'd find it very pleasing indeed if not only did he fail in his PMship bid but if his brother eventually overtook him. That would be a suitable amount of salt in the wound.

woodpigeons · 21/03/2019 16:47

I don’t think TM thinks of anything but whatever is best for herself. I really feel she isn’t capable of doing so.
That said I think the petition and the march are incredibly important to show the depth of feeling against her and hopefully provoke the HOC to remove her in whatever way possible.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 16:49

Johnsons popularity or otherwise is immaterial. He won't go anywhere near the post-May Tory leadership. Javid is probably the horse I'd back, as he ticks the "expendable" box and would allow the Tories to pretend they're the equality party. It would be nice to think of Priti Patel being a contender, but she would have further to climb. Her only purpose would be to split any support for Javid, allowing the Chosen One (whoever they are) to ascend the slippery pole.

I really should devise a board game around all this: Tribal Pursuit ?

bellinisurge · 21/03/2019 16:51

There is a poll on my local FB page - this was a strong Leave area - the Leave vote is about the same 70% . But they are all for no Deal. Jesus Christ.

DGRossetti · 21/03/2019 16:53

That said I think the petition and the march are incredibly important to show the depth of feeling against her and hopefully provoke the HOC to remove her in whatever way possible.

It takes away the "nobody objected" trope that would be used in the future if nobody did. It's why I complain formally where appropriate. It can work too, I once called an NHS manager a liar because they tried to say "nobody" had complained about a new building that was inaccessible. Only someone (me) had. Not only that I complained in writing and had a reply. One day I will get another day job, but until then, I have a keyboard and time Grin ...

NoWordForFluffy · 21/03/2019 16:53

Lots of people at the petrol station filling up 5 litre cans with their fuel in he last few days

Jeez, I hope you don't live near me, TiP, as storing fuel is a stupid and dangerous idea!

TheABC · 21/03/2019 16:55

Its nice to note that the petition story has now made to most major online oulets (including the BBC). Viral indeed. It's going to be interesting to see what the final count is - unlike most Parliament petitions, this one has a very public deadline.

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