People who've changed their mind...

[Theworldisfullofgs]

There seems to be a lot of people on the internet who say they were a remainer but changed their mind to leave.

Has anyone who is STILL remain ever met anyone who has shifted from remain to leave?

In all my time posting about brexit on here, I can honestly say I haven’t come across a single prolific remainer who comes across as even mildly pleasant.

That is a totally unfair comment surfer. Sorry you feel that way but many people have engaged with you in a perfectly civil manner.

Songsofexperience

sorry, you are lovely yes.

I was referring to the dozen or so really prolific ones who have been monitoring these boards 24/7 from day one.

I only noticed your name a few weeks ago.

Brexit is just one step in a bigger plan where the UK is just the fall guy

Absolutely. I hate to see this country used as a pawn. The aim is simply to completely dismantle the EU. For Russia, it's because it feels the EU is reaching too far to the East. It resents its influence on former Soviet states. For Trump, it's because he sees the EU as a 'foe' (his own word) to be crushed. He sees it as a dangerous trade competitor rather than a partner. He was hoping the UK to create a competing sphere of influence on the margins of Europe, presumably drawing support from other Eurosceptic members.

surferjet I agree. The threads are full of hate and name calling. It really is ironic

surfer all you do lately is pitch up on threads and make nasty and / or dismissive comments.

You are so blinkered in you quest to reduce immigration that you simply don’t care about the impact that is going to have on everyone else.

And I’m not just talking about the economic realities of Brexit.

What happened yesterday in NZ just shows what happens when you fuel the fire of hatred based on someone’s skin colour or where they have come from.

Do you really think encouraging division based on where people have come from is the right thing to be doing?

Thinking further on what I said upthread... I also believe long term that strategy of the US-Russia with regards to the UK and the EU could leave the country very vulnerable in geopolitical terms. Unless that eurosceptic alliance materialised (I don't think it will and if it did I think it could threaten peace long term) the UK will end up of the margins, isolated, and of much less use to the US and Russia except as a useful troublemaker to weaken the EU at sensitive times. Hence, if the UK falls into that trap, the long term relationship with Europe could only be antagonistic, with not much to replace it and negative economic and cultural consequences.

*You are so blinkered in you quest to reduce immigration that you simply don’t care about the impact that is going to have on everyone else

See what I mean.

No, I don’t see what you mean.

Calling you out on your views doesn’t make me rude or whatever other insult you care to use.

I drifted into leave territory for about a week. And I realise that this is the shock treatment at work.

Shock and awe.

Everyone should read Naomi Klein’s Shock Doctrine. Read about the dismantling of Chile and the Southern Cone/Latin American countries being used as testing ground for what is today’s modern (disaster) capitalism and understand very clearly that this is what Brexit is about. Leavers are unwittingly supporting disaster capitalism. Look at the Brexiteers closely. Read about them and the economic policies they support. More important, read between the lines and read the fine print and take nothing the likes of Rees-Mogg say at face value. Listen to the guy’s words without being duped by his smooth as butter posh voice. Brexiteers are in it to win it and the economic payoff will be enormous. But it will not trickle down to you or me. Why would anyone want a no deal Brexit? You tell me.

As a people, we have been successfully divided into leavers and remainers . We feel defeated, worn out, antagonised and antagonistic towards each other. We have been conquered.

“Just leave now with no deal, ffs. Let’s just go!” is a definite mood among a proportion of our fed-up, intellectually mugged society. We want the bus to stop in the middle of the Sahara in a sandstorm and let us off. We are willing to do this without a second thought. That’s how fed up people are. That’s what we’ve been turned into. We have successfully had the fight kicked out of us. Isn’t that mental? We have been tortured by the shit show that is Brexit and all of us are battle weary with trench rot. We just want to go home now. But what is home?
Now we’re so shocked and numbed that we’d vote the opposite of what we truly believe is right for the UK, just as an up yours to the system. That just proves they have us where they want us.

The reality here is that very few people are going to change their mind so we do actually need to end up with no deal.

Only then will Leavers be forced to acknowledge the repercussions of their choices, but they will still just blame the EU for not giving us what we want.

Any Leaver who is happy with the WA has sold out IMO. It’s the worst of all worlds - a worse deal than we had before and still having to abide by the rules.

A crossed post which proves your point vanguard

{Unless that eurosceptic alliance materialised}

The Eurosceptic 'alliance' is growing spearheaded by the far right groups in many countries. What they have going against them is that they do not have a pleasant and sustainable 'end game', meaning they will happily march around stirring up hatred and trashing things but they are not interested in schools and looking after the elderly, so there will be a section that support them up to the point where they need a hospital for long term care and so on. It is down to those who want an equitable life to ensure they are kept in check, like rebellious teenagers.
I have no idea why Surferjet seems so bitter, considering she 'won'. Maybe she would like to tell us what wonderful tings she is looking forward to achieving an a couple of weeks.

{Any Leaver who is happy with the WA has sold out IMO. It’s the worst of all worlds - a worse deal than we had before and still having to abide by the rules.}

The WA is for a specified time only. The terms of the UK being 'in' the EU during transition are the same as they are now with the exception that the UK does not get to vote on legislation changes during transition. While this may sound 'bad' I would expect representation from the UK to be listened to during this process and with the diverse views of the EU27/8 it is hardly likely there would be anything radical that would be produced. The EU is US and not 'THEM' WE are the EU (for 2 weeks) so you need to stop thinking the UK is being oppressed.
The best deal WAS to have stayed in the EU, with our opt outs and influence. That has now been trashed, there is no going back to how we were. Many Billions have been spent on this crazy escapade and the UK has to now work out a plan to move forward. After almost 3 years it still has no fucking clue.
departure is NOT instant, even a 'crash out' will take a year. WA was scheduled for 2 years of negotiation but the UK has to create a functioning majority government before it can start ANY negotiations.

surferjet I agree. The threads are full of hate and name calling. It really is ironic

Yes, when this is all over, both sides still have to live together in this country and it's just plain depressing to see how insulting & hostile some, on each side, have been throughout two and a half years of this.

My mother, despite much begging, voted leave and now she is crying about what will befall us. She changed her mind once she realised the ramifications of leaving with no deal or even a deal.
She is not very clued up, since, yesterday she told me that JRM seemed like a very nice man. FFS. Past gems include thinking the cold war was about fish. She meant the cod war.

. Past gems include thinking the cold war was about fish. She meant the cod war.

How old is she? Wasn't the Cold War the backdrop to a huge chunk of her life?

I voted remain. I think a second referendum makes a mockery of the democratic process, no matter the circumstances. If we have a second referendum, I'll abstain from voting.

I suppose it would be too much to hope that anyone can suggest a way that the UK can get out of this mess.
Any 'Leavers' perhaps?
Now that you have won, you can explain which countries are going to give the really good deals, what employment chances are going to be offered in Sunderland when Nissan closes in a couple of years, maybe some regeneration of other cities.
Tell us your plans, we are waiting.

My mother, despite much begging, voted leave and now she is crying about what will befall us

So you begged your mum, she didn't do as she was told and now she is crying - I can't imagine why! or maybe I have completely misunderstood your post.

If we have a second referendum, I'll abstain from voting.

You just have to be aware that abstaining just means (passively) voting for the winning option.

You just have to be aware that abstaining just means (passively) voting for the winning option

Exactly, same principle in the EU Ref but apparently I have read on here that's different

JRM has met with turning point and thinks they're ok. Turning point inspired the New Zealand shooter. Nice Man

AmphetamineGazelle

I feel sorry for your mum.
Does she know how you talk about her on social media ?

Poor woman.

I know a few remainers who just want to get on with it now - don’t think k they would actively vote Leave in another referendum though.
Also know a leaver who would definitely vote Remain and another leaver who is fed up of the whole thing.

Exactly, same principle in the EU Ref but apparently I have read on here that's different confused

Well, those who didn't vote didn't necessarily WANT leave to win but their passivity allowed it to happen.