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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 18:41

I've been getting a lot more migraines lately sos and I'm sure they are brexshit related.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 18:41

Thanks Red.

John Baron, MP for Basildon has just said we currently successfully trade with most of the world outside of the EU on largely WTO rules.

Confused

And then all the guff about the pre ref predictions from the BoE etc.

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 18:43

OK. So as I understand it, Spelman has been pressurised by the Tory whips to withdraw her Amendment but as it has other signatories such as Yvette Cooper to it the Speaker says 'no', the others can leave the Amendment on schedule for tonight.

If Yvette Cooper decides to go ahead with the Amendment, does she have the support for it to banish No Deal for all time?

lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2019 18:44

That's a powerful LSE post DGR but the problem is the same as always that the beneficiaries don't and won't see it.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 13/03/2019 18:44

Pmk

1tisILeClerc · 13/03/2019 18:47

{If Yvette Cooper decides to go ahead with the Amendment, does she have the support for it to banish No Deal for all time?}

No deal is what happens if Mrs May does not pass a message to the EP saying either WA or Revoke.

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 18:49

I realise that No Deal IS the table. It is up to the EU unless we Revoke / WA.

But my question is will Yvette's amendment (if she doesn't withdraw it) pass to show that MP's are completely opposed to No Deal?

IrenetheQuaint · 13/03/2019 18:50

Another night in front of the fire watching BBC Parliament...

borntobequiet · 13/03/2019 18:52

Oops must get better at links

WhatWouldScoobyDoo · 13/03/2019 18:56

PMK

borntobequiet · 13/03/2019 18:57

And I can believe Nicky Morgan. Becoming Ed Sec rots brains. She too doesn’t understand averages.

HazardGhost · 13/03/2019 18:58

Any graphs with predictions yet? Love a graph....

Tonsilss · 13/03/2019 18:58

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AutumnCrow · 13/03/2019 18:58

Liam Fox being a bit of a faux bruiser there.

FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 18:59

Liam Fox is a puffed airbag who has a cheek to show his face in political life. Cannot STAND him.

Peregrina · 13/03/2019 19:00

Does Gove really think that 33 million voted for Brexit? If that were the case, there wouldn't be the discord their is now - it would clearly be the will of the people, (however stupid).

dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 19:02

We shouldn't forget about the House of Lords either, the government lost two Brexit bills there today.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:03

So Bercow has selected the Spelman amendment anyway!!!!!

dreichuplands · 13/03/2019 19:03

Or had two defeats on the Brexit trade bill to be precise.

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:03

Why don't the fucktards borrow the EP building for a weekend and get two hundred indicative votes done.

Sostenueto · 13/03/2019 19:03

Omg! Spelman vote now taking place. Will it get through? Anyone know?

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 19:04

Wow.

Yvette is going ahead. Non binding though.

I wonder how the cabinet will vote?

MyNameIsArthur · 13/03/2019 19:04

PMK

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:04

I feel queasy...

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