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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

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RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 19:23

But if the EU refuse extension, no deal is still the default, right?

PestyMachtubernahme · 13/03/2019 19:24

Rufus Blush bet you weren't the only one

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:24

Has can Malthouse pass if it advocates a managed NO Deal Brexit and the House has just rejected No Deal at any time?

Sostenueto · 13/03/2019 19:24

Batteries flat be back in an hour.

SusanWalker · 13/03/2019 19:24

Amendment f is Malthouse compromise, but Malthouse part 2 I think.
From the BBC:

This amendment (f) sets out the process for a "managed no-deal". It requests:

The government publish tariff schedules
An extension of leaving to 22 May 2019
'Mutual standstill agreements' between the UK and EU until the end of 2021, including payments to the EU
A unilateral guarantee of citizens' rights
It is called the Malthouse compromise because it was put together by Conservative minister Kit Malthouse, but it has been tabled in the name of former Conservative minister Damian Green.

It is supported by members of the Brexiteer European Research Group of Conservative MPs and former Remain supporters such as Mr Green and Nicky Morgan.

TheHauntedFishtank · 13/03/2019 19:24

wooooop!

MissMalice · 13/03/2019 19:24

Is malthouse expected to pass or no?

GroovieGazelloo · 13/03/2019 19:24

Revoke revoke! SmileSmile
What is amendment f ?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:24

How can. Not has can!

TiddleTaddleTat · 13/03/2019 19:24

If EU refuse an extension they might hope we'd revoke

Apileofballyhoo · 13/03/2019 19:25

I was taking a mini break from Brexit if anyone was wondering. It's as depressing and anxiety inducing as ever. I was keeping an eye on the news all right just not gluing myself to it - I really didn't think they world be any changes in any case until the votes started to happen.

I think they are all insane.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:26

Based on the last result surely it can’t pass.

But then, cognitive dissonance Hmm

MyNameIsArthur · 13/03/2019 19:27

If 308 MPs are happy for us to have No Deal, then I can't imagine many of them would be interested in us revoking or having a second referendum

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 19:27

How can Malthouse pass given the last result? I wouldn't think it will pass.

67chevvyimpala · 13/03/2019 19:27

But it only passed by 4....

4!

What message does that send to the EU27?

TheNumberfaker · 13/03/2019 19:27

In shock!

TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 19:27

Exactly, Malthouse is now meaningless, surely?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:28

MynameisArthur. Don’t forget the Cons we’re whipped. Not necessarily voting with their conscience.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:29

Were whipped. Bloody autocorrect

TiddleTaddleTat · 13/03/2019 19:29

I don't think that 308 voted for no deal so much as voted to keep it 'on the table' for the presumed benefit it would have for 'further negotiation' Confused

BiglyBadgers · 13/03/2019 19:30

It only passed by 4 but conservatives had to vote against the whip and I think the fact they did and might therefore have to resign counts for something. I imagine it would have been a much bigger majority of there wasn't a whip involved.

TalkinPaece · 13/03/2019 19:30

so its no WA
and no no deal
gotta be revoke then Grin

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 19:30

Sky News have JRM on. Ugh. Now saying law overrides the amendment so we're going on 29th March regardless, vote 'very interesting' but not binding.

GingerPCatt · 13/03/2019 19:30

Just catching up. I thought that may said last night that she wouldn’t whip on the no deal vote. What happened? Or just may lying.

GroovieGazelloo · 13/03/2019 19:30

Thankyou Susan

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