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Westminstenders: Adrift at Sea

999 replies

RedToothBrush · 13/03/2019 14:35

After May lost the Meaningful Vote last night by a long way she has lost control of the agenda. She managed to persuade just 40 out of the 116 she needed to support here.

This leaves us all adrift with nothing apparent to a solution.

May announced that tonight's vote will be to stop No Deal. She has announced that it will be a free vote and she herself intends to vote against No Deal. This looks set to be blocked but the amendments that go with it are more important. Particularly the Spelman / Dromey amendment which is pitched to stop no deal completely (it doesn't) which is more about trying to kill off a Meaningful Vote III instead.

Tomorrow's vote is perhaps more important though. Its about an extension to a50. We NEED an extension. However the length of the extension is yet to be argued as is the purpose of the extension.

This is also against whispers that the Italian Far Right group has been lobbied by Leave.EU and Farage has directly asked Eurospectics in the EP to veto any extension. Whether this would happen remains to be seen but it certainly raises questions over an extension is even now possible. This was always a probable action; Banks & Farage have for 3 years aggitated to cause maximum problems for the government. Its also true that they only have power due to this dynamic of being a hostile force.

With No Deal so catastophic that Hammond today made the point in his Spring Budget that, if he feels there's almost nothing he'd feel able to do to mitigate the effects of what he sees as the car crash of no deal, this leaves one option on the table. Ironically it is possible that the actions of Banks and Co might be more likely to have that effect rather than to stop an extension. The question, however, would then be whether May had the guts to revoke.

We certainly have, at least, reached crunch point. Have we done so too late to make a difference? And will our new found sovereignity be twarted by Brexiteers inviting the interference of foriegn hostile forces to intervene?

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BiglyBadgers · 13/03/2019 19:19

Wow! I didn't expect that. What a squeaker! Shock

QueenMabby · 13/03/2019 19:19

Wow. Go revoke!!

HazardGhost · 13/03/2019 19:19

Four... a majority I four

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 19:19

I am officially a bag of nerves.

That was close.

MarshaBradyo · 13/03/2019 19:19

Wow

Littlespaces · 13/03/2019 19:20

#Revoke for the sake of all our children.

Sostenueto · 13/03/2019 19:20

Great but doesn't change anything at the moment but what a statement! TM had better listen closely.Wink

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:20

I’m lost. What’s amendment F?

Butterymuffin · 13/03/2019 19:20

Although compare 312-308 to 52-48...we keep being told that the latter is the sacred will of the people and can't be questioned..

Holidayshopping · 13/03/2019 19:20

I can’t believe that many MPs wanted a No Deal?!

SparklySneakers · 13/03/2019 19:20

Was bathing the monsters and missed the excitement. Not sure I could have watched!

TatianaLarina · 13/03/2019 19:20

308 imbeciles is a poor reckoning.

Motheroffourdragons · 13/03/2019 19:21

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QueenMabby · 13/03/2019 19:21

But didn’t the Soelman vote say that article 50 was to be revoked if no deal agreed by 29/3? I imagine there would be a large number of mps who don’t want no-deal but who couldn’t stomach voting for a revoke??

QueenMabby · 13/03/2019 19:21

Spelman. Obvs.

Lisette1940 · 13/03/2019 19:21
FiddleFaddleDingDong · 13/03/2019 19:21

Someone on BBC News is suggesting that tonight's result means some Govt ministers have resigned,

Sostenueto · 13/03/2019 19:21

Revoke revoke! The revolution is coming. Revoke revoke!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 13/03/2019 19:22

Would have been far more than 4 of if the Cons hadn’t been whipped.

lonelyplanetmum · 13/03/2019 19:22

But how can 308 have voted against It- surely not many of them believe the negotiating stance malarkey now?

Parker231 · 13/03/2019 19:22

And next the vote whether to extend, which I guess the EU will reject and then we’ll be back to a no deal?

Sostenueto · 13/03/2019 19:22

Hope Malthouse fails.

TokyoSushi · 13/03/2019 19:23

BBC suggesting some cabinet ministers have voted against the whip and will have to resign... let's see...

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 13/03/2019 19:23

I got myself all confused over what the yes meant

I think a bit of wee came out

TiddleTaddleTat · 13/03/2019 19:23

That result with a Tory whip is a disaster for May