Westminstenders: Here we go again

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Vote 12th March: Meaningful Vote on the Withdrawal Agreement

Vote 13th March: If WA fails, vote on No Deal

Vote 14th March: If WA fails, vote on A50 extension

Not much more to add at this stage that's not repeating what's been said before.

Ah. Shame. Theresa would like to try jalapeño and pepperoni pizza for the first time. She's definitely a margarita isn't she?

Difficult to think of anyone left who is both capable & loyal
Both Leavers & Remainers in her Cabinet are manoeuvering against her, posed for a putsch

Hunt is so obviously running for leader and he probably makes her teeth itch, too

Liddington is the only one she can really trust
Maybe a quick cuppa after the HoC and straight to the BBC studios ?

Sorry , probably being dim, but what does Britain having its own unilateral declaration on the backstop mean? In what way will this make a difference? Also want to thank you all for making a ridiculously complex issue a little more understandable for me!

The pizza is in Ireland. I should compose more comprehensive posts.

Just itching to find out todays episode, it is like a fecking soap opera.

I want pizza now. I've had two snickers but could definitely do a mushroom, pineapple and red pepper pizza. Thin base, more mushrooms than pineapple and peppers.

From the Guardian, from the previous Australian PM.
{I’m struck, as the British parliament moves towards the endgame on Brexit, with the number of times Australia, Canada, New Zealand and India have been advanced by the Brexiteers in the public debate as magical alternatives to Britain’s current trade and investment relationship with the European Union. This is the nuttiest of the many nutty arguments that have emerged from the Land of Hope and Glory set now masquerading as the authentic standard-bearers of British patriotism. It’s utter bollocks.

If Britain proceeds with giving effect to what future historians will legitimately describe as the longest suicide note in history by leaving the union, the cold, hard reality is that the mathematics simply don’t stack up in terms of credible economic alternatives to Europe. Much as any Australian, Canadian and New Zealand governments of whichever persuasion would do whatever they could to frame new free-trade agreements with the UK, the bottom line is that 65 million of us do not come within a bull’s roar of Britain’s adjacent market of 450 million Europeans.}

I think it is a gesture to the ERG so they can climb down without loss of face.

Remember that last week UK and Ireland agreed to maintain the Common Travel Area even in the event of no deal.

I think it means fuck all Oogie.

And all this focus on the backstop ignores the fact that it’s not the only thing that MPs dislike about the WA. It’s 600 pages long and there’s loads of unpalatable stuff in there, irrespective of the Irish border. Dominic Grieve hates it for reasons nothing to with backstop.

Well this is fun, See sellers roll call thread for a full explanation but currently watching sky news in a darkened hotel room (where we currently live) DH working at 4:30am so asleep, I'm using DS's Pokemon headphones for the tv while posting on my phone. Absolutely gripped, dedicated to the cause.

tatiana I probably have a better exposure to EU opinion, here

They just want Brexit over, so they can concentrate on many other urgent matters
Business has made it clear to the politicians that delaying A50 is expensive for them

German opinion has changed a lot over the last month
and I posted VaradkarÄs opinion upthread - that's a change,before Ireland was the one urging an extension on everyone

Shit or not, there is no other deal
and what you really want is Revoke, anyway, so you would hate a better deal.

If the WA goes through, there will be no PV, unless it only goes through on the promise of one,
i.e. that amendment

Ladbrokes Politics @ labpolitics
Ladbrokes: Meaningful Vote now 11/4 to pass, in from 5/1.

Steven Swinford@steven_swinford
Steve Baker says that 'deal fever abounds' then fires a warning shot

'If in 5 years we found ourselves trapped in the backstop people would rightly curse the withdrawal agreement'

@1tisILeClerc
..... and that is exactly the problem in a nutshell..... and what I have been saying to leavers (but not as succinctly) but they just don't get it!

Well I don't think we will know until tomorrow morning. Not much time for MPs to look at whatever shit TM presents before tomorrow nights vote on WA. My earlier prediction of WA getting through by a couple of votes may well come true yet. Which means we are f***!

In five years time we will have a different Parliament and one can't bind the next, so even if May says that they have agreed to let the UK leave the backstop in 5 years, a different Government could say no.

Bollox, we will never get stuck in a backstop. Technology can solve the dilemma, so we don't need to even think about having a backstop.

Back in the real world the UK reserves the right to be a pain in the arse and legally challenge the backstop before it is even implemented.

With whom is the UK going to challenge the backstop? Would they try to go to the ECJ?

It is all so nuts. The younger generations will reverse all of this if they can one day. Demographic change.

So what is the point?

If the HoC vote against No Deal, then FOR an extension

May likely to go for 24 May, to block a further extension
Corbyn already said he wants only a short extension, to avoid EP elections

No time for a PV then
(despite claims that Corbyn would support one, he really puts all possible obstacles in the way)

If the HoC vote against No Deal and then (cowardly) AGAINST an extension ....
They've really voted for No Deal anyway

I probably have a better exposure to EU opinion, here

I don’t get that impression at all tbh.

They just want Brexit over, so they can concentrate on many other urgent matter. Business has made it clear to the politicians that delaying A50 is expensive for them

Of course it’s expensive. But if extension ends in a softened Brexit because that was the only deal Parliament would ratify, or a PV that ends with Remain it would be much cheaper in the long run.

Currently, JIT business has the 2 years of transition to get out of the U.K.

The idea that the WA being passed means that Brexit is over is the naïvest thing I’ve heard today. Possibly this year.

It’s the beginning of quagmire and years and years of wrangling back and forth.

As soft Brexit with a CU is much preferable to this.

peregrina The Uk govt and ERG all along wanted to avoid the ECJ deciding this
Already arbitration has a UK judge, an ECJ one and a neutral

To challenge the backstop completely, the Uk would go to the ICJ (International Court of Justice) in the Hague, which is the UN court

I had pizza earlier! Spinach and ricotta. And I always eat pizza with a knife and fork, as befits a senior citizen with old fashioned manners.
That legalistic bullshit is worth nothing. It certainly won’t change the minds of the ERG/DUP.

wish they'd hurry up, need my bed.

Laura Kuenneburg

"Sounds like Lidington statement in Commons won't be much before 10pm - unlikely to be before the PM in Strasbourg - whispers she has left the meetings there for a phone chat with the Irish - nothing clear yet"