The Magic Brexit Money Tree

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...Children! Lollipops! Lollipops if you vote for my deal!

The point you are missing Clav is that the regs currently done by the EU, will now have to be done by new UK organisations e.g. the CE marking to be replace by UKCA... so extra costs for imported goods too.

Even fishing doesn't escape, with reams of paperwork required, new organisation to join and new agreements to be negotiated....

(all above only if a no-deal)

That you focus on a non exist never introduced regulation, shows how weak your argument is, esp as its already a HSE requirement.

Just to freak Leavers out, data protection law was originally borrowed from bespoke UK data protection law (1984 data protection act). There's some red white and blue tape for you.

I think clav was just looking for something to berate the EU about - when it was pointed out that the proposed hairdresser legislation being held up as pointless EU red tape was actually nothing to do with the EU, it was then the EU’s fault for belittling hairdressers by not taking its pointless red tape seriously

Like all Leavers, Clav's arguments are built on sand.

Er, no - I think I very successfully showed that it was the EU Commission's interpretation of the proposals that caused problems.

Posting an image of a hairdresser and a pair of high heeled shoes was bound to cause offence and hilarity in equal measure - they opened themselves up to ridicule.

I think the easiest way of understanding it is if you start from the premise that anything with "European" in it must somehow be in the wrong, and then go from there.

Clavinova
That horse of yours has been flogged enough.
Why not try thinking of brilliant new activities that the UK will have to start doing in 3 weeks time to replace the jobs that are being lost.
You know you 'won' but the practical responsibility of this is that a significant portion of industry currently being done in the UK will move out.
You want out, YOU need to think.

That horse of yours has been flogged enough.

Indeed - I left this topic last night - it's jasjas1973, bellinisurge, ContinuityError and TheElementsSong who wanted to resurrect it.

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Er, no - I think I very successfully showed that it was the EU Commission's interpretation of the proposals that caused problems.

Er no, you went through a whole series of mental gymnastics to go from blaming the EU for pointless red tape to blaming the EU for deriding pointless red tape.

It’s been quite impressive to watch actually

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I'm not sad - I'm rather pleased with my post at 08.35.

whole series of mental gymnastics to go from blaming the EU for pointless red tape to blaming the EU for deriding pointless red tape.

The key phrase is "blaming the EU"

Still no solution to the UK border with Ireland and GFA compliance? Thought not.

I would anticipate that Clavinova, like most leaver/Brexiteers will rely on someone else to get them out of the shit.
Maybe she is working on a really good plan to replace, or rather find new avenues for a couple of million that are related to the car assembly industry. Universal Credit will burst when they all turn up wanting payment.
I would be happy to be proven wrong, but have seen no sign of any suggestions yet. You would have thought with only 3 weeks to go they would be down at the bank organising the startup loans and trumpeting the brilliance of the UK.

I am still of the opinion that you are floundering Clavinova and it would appear that others agree with me. OK your stance is EU bad, any old rubbish is better. But it's up to you to make that rubbish better - don't expect Remainers to help there - we can't.

I may be incorrect but I don't suppose many of the EU 27 citizens really think about 'Brussels' and the EP at all. If they are doing business, there are rules. The fact the rules may be instigated by the EP is not important. No doubt if if feels tedious they will grumble 'down the pub' but when you trade you have rules.
It is mainly the UK 'disconnect' from the EP, mainly because twats like Johnson and Farage spreading untruths and not 'getting with the programme' causing unrest.

My arguments are not built on sand.
You just don't like them and disagree with them.
It amazes me that you all get so frustrated and annoyed and start throwing out insults that are totally irrelevant like the one about us being happy to,bow down to the US. Who said anything about American courts?
I am still unhappy about the authority of the ECJ, just as I would be about a US court if it had jurisdiction over the UK.
A international court of arbitration which deals with trade, and only trade, is a totally different matter. It will be dealing with disputes between countries about trade and will not impact our domestic judicial system.
And schools. The schools in my area have/had a large influx of EEuropean children. I did not and never had said that this affected results of the schools. However, it did affect the children. Some local parents complained that over a short period of time the main language in the playground was Polish and local children were not being allowed to join in games. So it affected people personally which is much more important than the overall national results.
This is why people voted leave and until you understand it from their point of view you are wasting your time.

... and you know the ECJ interprets EU law NOT uk law, that UK courts refer to the ECJ on EU matters.

NATO/UN both trump UK law, as does the ECHR, its the way of the world.

i'm sure there are schools all over the UK where the main language is not a European one... and English kids are disadvantaged in the playground,
What shall we do about that? deportation? separate schooling? what do you think?

also, a international court on trade could easily over turn domestic law, esp on uk standards.

I am still unhappy about the authority of the ECJ, just as I would be about a US court if it had jurisdiction over the UK.

We are not yet part of the USA. If we were to join, would you object to their Court having jurisdiction? We are still part of the EU at least for the next three weeks, so why should a court of a Union we belong to not have jurisdiction in certain areas? We have, (shock horror to Leavers) even proposed some of the legislation ourselves, agreed to most other laws, and objected to a relatively small percentage.

@Coppersulphate - how do we comply with our GFA obligations if we no deal? Not saying that we couldn't come up with a technological solution at some point if we WA, but not if we go for No Deal. What is your solution. You have until 11 pm in March 29 to come up with one.

And although this is still under discussion/awaiting clarification as I understand it, British judges will no longer be appointed to sit on the ECJ once the UK has left the EU so that is another important sphere of influence the UK is removing itself from.

That's 22 days, 8 hours and 30 ish mins away. Your time starts now.

Thus making it the "foreign" court Brexiteers have always complained about.

I think the idea (if you follow the thought process logically ) is that the UK should live in glorious isolation.

• No trade with any other countries so no need for international arbitration of trade deals.
• No need for ferries, planes or cross border trains, so no need for the international bodies that regulate them.
• No need for the ECHR as it involves a European Court.
• No need for the UN as without the EHCR we'd have to sign up directly to the UN Convention of Human Rights.
• No need for NATO as we have to give up even a small amount of sovereignty to another body and agree to go to war if any other member is attacked.
• No need for cancer treatment using radioactive isotopes as we're withdrawing from Euratom so obviously don't see it as important.
• No need for Interpol as that would involve data sharing.

But there again, as no-one can get out of or into the UK, we shouldn't have any need for Interpol any more.

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