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Westminstenders: The Rebellion

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RedToothBrush · 23/02/2019 22:43

This week is the start of another big week. Touted (again) as high noon. However the end of February marks a watershed in many ways. Parliament simply can not kick the can further. Its last stand time.

Three Cabinet ministers are openly saying back Cooper-Boles. They are joined by other ministers and intend to vote for it regardless of the government position. And will break protocol by refusing to resign to do so. This leaves May with the option of accepting it or sacking them.

The breaking of collective responsibility would be a bit deal. But May can not easily sack them. She simply has so little power left.

These ministers are backed by up to 100 moderates too. And with the emergence of the TIGGERS the mood has changed with others emboldened in their rebellion and arguably more likely to go.

Meanwhile Corbyn is losing even more authority. In what looks like a last ditch attempt to retain remain support in the face of the TIGGERS whilst also leaving to the point where it is realistic, noises are being made that Labour are about to back a People's Vote. It sounds symbolic rather than meaningful in anyway.

The antisemitic row, however, seems to be engulfing the party even further with MPs seen as Jewish, or not loyal Corbynites subject to intense amounts of abuse for being diplomatic or sympathetic in the face of resignations. The spectacle of Labour infighting has been laid bare in a very public way and it doesn't look healthy and is swallowing all column inches over and above any policy regarding either austerity or Brexit.

What this means for votes this week is important. The power of the whip on both sides of the house is completely fractured. MPs are more likely to vote with conscience than party lines than previously.

Where this leads us is now wide open.

An extension now looks all but inevitable. But for how long, at what price and for what ends ultimately in terms of a deal or no deal.

This noise seems very much at odds with other voices.

The Government itself, however, still seems to be planning to get WA legislation through parliament at the last minute at the end of March. (This would also involve May using measures which break parliamentary constitutional arrangements). And prominent leavers are suggesting that an extention will just kill Brexit off completely.

A GE is also very much looming. The TIGGERS emergence is such a threat that both parties will now possibly want it sooner rather than later (for slightly differing reasons). They will not want them to become established or prepared for an election. But calling an election now closes parliament and enables no deal by default. A GE after an extension or Brexit is a different prospect too.

Things are likely to get very busy this week. Time to brace once again.

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BiglyBadgers · 25/02/2019 08:49

I'm all for a long extension, quietly revoking and then agreeing never to mention it again. It's the only sensible and very British thing to do. Wink

VanillaSugarr · 25/02/2019 08:50

Yes, it makes sense, but nothing about Brexit makes sense Sad

Motheroffourdragons · 25/02/2019 08:52

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1tisILeClerc · 25/02/2019 08:59

{I'm all for a long extension, quietly revoking and then agreeing never to mention it again. It's the only sensible and very British thing to do.}

So who is going to be stumping up the hundreds of millions of pounds/Euros that has been poured into preparation/stockpiling/company relocation?
Is HM treasury going to compensate me for the unnecessary expenses that I have incurred?

Motheroffourdragons · 25/02/2019 09:01

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ElenadeClermont · 25/02/2019 09:06

I have to agree with Rachel Johnson on this one. As so many leavers think we have already left the EU, we might as well remain.

prettybird · 25/02/2019 09:10

Bernard Jenkin has just tried to invoke the Millennium Bug on Sky News as a reason why No Deal is not such a bad deal Angry

Peregrina · 25/02/2019 09:11

To give Daniel Hannan his due, on the night after the Referendum result, he was still saying that no one was talking of leaving the Single Market, so it's probably fair to say that he did have belonging to EEA/EFTA in mind. Then May came along with her appeasement of the ERG........

prettybird · 25/02/2019 09:15

Autocorrect changed my last couple of words from "big deal" to "bad deal". He's claiming scaremongering, all hype and scare - and now lying about the "no border controls" between Switzerland and the EU.

To be fair on Adam Boulton, he did say that's not the case for goods and trucks and when Jenkin continued to lie, finished the interview by saying, "I suggest you talk to a lorry driver" Grin

SusanWalker · 25/02/2019 09:20

I saw a thread on twitter of meatheads apparently planning to block roads and ports on 29/3 if we don't leave.

I was however heartened by some of the responses. One of whom said I'll be there without fail mate, but I've got the dentist at 2.30. Another who said he'd go, but would need someone to push his wheelchair.

But then this was twitter, so half of them were probably in Moscow, and the other half living their lives vicariously through twitter, with no real intentions of turning up at all.

Motheroffourdragons · 25/02/2019 09:22

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lonelyplanetmum · 25/02/2019 09:37

Then May came along with her appeasement of the ERG..

I just had this conversation with a Dad on the school run.

We've had appeasing the DUP with £1 billion cash for votes. Plus appeasing the tax payer funded one issue sub party ( the ERG).

At what point do the TIggers become numerous enough to warrant a U turn in appeasement direction ? ( Presumably never because 16m + of us have never been offered a crumb of appeasement.)

SusanWalker · 25/02/2019 09:38

I agree with that mother. If TM had acknowledged that the result was close and moved to EEA/EFTA I would likely have accepted that. I would have felt disappointed about leaving the EU, but I would have accepted it.

But now I have been ignored and essentially whitewashed out of the debate, whilst she panders to the ERG, I think fuck you, I'm going to continue to fight for remain.

Motheroffourdragons · 25/02/2019 09:45

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LittlePickleHead · 25/02/2019 09:46

Exactly how I feel Susan! You refused to compromise, so fuck you I refuse to give up.

SusanWalker · 25/02/2019 09:48

I actually find it really offensive whenever any politician says the country voted to leave. It's like they think I'm not a citizen or don't exist or something.

DGRossetti · 25/02/2019 09:49

To give Daniel Hannan his due...

...he got what he wanted with a raft of lies and scaremongering, and now he's pissed off.

His "due" is to fuck off while he still can.

Sorry, I have less than zero fucks for any whinging Brexiteer now. Maybe, if any good is to come of Brexit, it's a stark lesson that when you agitate for change through dishonesty and appealing to peoples baser natures, you can't control the result.

lonelyplanetmum · 25/02/2019 09:50

We don't understand when the vote was so close, why it is that a significant minority - 48% - of the voters have ended up marginalised here.

Yes why is it. Why has there never been even a sop thrown to remainers?

wherearemychickens · 25/02/2019 09:54

I would have accepted EEA/EFTA as well, as the obvious compromise on what is essentially a divided vote.

Missbel · 25/02/2019 09:54

We don't understand when the vote was so close, why it is that a significant minority - 48% - of the voters have ended up marginalised here I think it's that sense of marginalisation - the failure to realise how very close the vote was - that drives so much of the Remainers' ire -it's as though we simply no longer count.

Sostenueto · 25/02/2019 09:56

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TheElementsSong · 25/02/2019 09:58

I would have accepted EEA/EFTA as well, as the obvious compromise on what is essentially a divided vote.

Same here.

1tisILeClerc · 25/02/2019 09:59

{Yes why is it. Why has there never been even a sop thrown to remainers?}

And the 450 Million in Europe that are having extra taxes/fall in amenity forced on them due to some twats in the UK.

DGRossetti · 25/02/2019 10:00

We don't understand when the vote was so close, why it is that a significant minority - 48% - of the voters have ended up marginalised here.

Because we are moving (or some people want us to move) into a new era of politics where being 0.0000001% in the majority gives you 100% power. It very much encourages people to think "correctly". It's related to the attempt to invoke the "silent majority" - the idea that the 70% that aren't agitating against your policies must agree with them. Used by Richard Nixon to justify .... well all kinds of shit, really.

RedToothBrush · 25/02/2019 10:05

I saw a thread on twitter of meatheads apparently planning to block roads and ports on 29/3 if we don't leave.

The recent pro-leave rallies have been so well attended I'm not too concerned.

Plus, like Dominic Raab, they'd have to work out where Dover was first.

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