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Westminstenders: Distract and divert. Just close your eyes.

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RedToothBrush · 18/02/2019 11:16

This morning Jeremy Hunt declared that, 'With vision on both sides we can find a way through that has the support of Parliament and also works for the EU'

Of course this is 18th February 2019 and the UK has yet to demostrate they understand the problem, much less have the vision to solve it. And we leave the EU next month.

It needs to be stressed at this point: DON'T FORGET TO FOCUS ON WHAT REALLY MATTERS

Everything else is a tactic to make you close your eyes and miss what is really going on. Everything. Brexit looks increasingly like a hypnotist making their subject do ever increasing acts of ridiculousness on stage. Except I do not know if the public or the politicians are that poor sod. It is the magician who uses tricks of slight of hand to make you look the wrong way, whilst they makes all the big moves out of your vision.

There are so many stories that are coming out to try and make you miss what the government are failing to do. Stay focused. We can't ignore all these stories, but understand whether they are really important to the end game too.

A labour split, a march on the 23rd March, talk of a PV, the Brady amendment, the Malthouse Compromise, Cooper-Boles halting no deal?

No we need more than that.

The time for fantasies are gone. Its time to face reality and be pragmatic. The only thing that matters is the approaching cliff. Which we will go over not on the 29th March but in the next couple of weeks. We might not realise the ground disappearing beneath our feet at first. Our momentum as we go forward will carry for a short while before gravity kicks in.

But we can not defy the laws of physics and suddenly be able to fly because we develop magic superhuman powers of vision.

And no one will come to save us either.

Our national humilation will be total, if we don't acknowledge what is coming and stop.

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Tanith · 20/02/2019 12:18

“You might not feel compassion for an English teenager who was thrilled by the beheaders and rushed to join them”

Perhaps not, but I’d still feel contempt for the Government that allowed the 400+ male fighters to slink back home without a murmur whilst demonising that teenaged girl and throwing her to the racist wolves.

BiglyBadgers · 20/02/2019 12:18

bigly I suggest we keep the term "Leavers" for Brexit and "Tiggers" for the Independents

I think that's probably best. I just got myself all in a tizzle. Grin

67chevvyimpala · 20/02/2019 12:21

I'm surprised at soubry, but pleased.

It's about time she actually backed her comments with action.

chloem93 · 20/02/2019 12:22

prettybird

Labour try to stop Brexit? If they attempt it they know they will be going against democracy, good luck to power hungry JC getting PM position if he does that. All leavers know he's a true remainer so no one from the majority will vote him in anyway, which is a relief because our country would go to sh*t if that were to ever happen.

RedToothBrush · 20/02/2019 12:22

Chuka Umunna @ChukaUmunna
#PMQs is just so awful. Everything people hate about UK politics. Abolish the thing and put something different in its place. #ChangePolitics #TheIndGroup

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DGRossetti · 20/02/2019 12:23

Knowing the endemic misogyny in the Tory party (which is not to let Labour off the hook) I wonder if the fact it's three women MPs that made the first leap will have any bearing on developments ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:24

Tanith I feel absolutely the same about the male terrorists

However, because they sneaked back in quietly, it was left to the civil servants to process them and see they were punished if they had broken any laws.

Begum decided to go public and do the poor little mum act, maybe a drama lama still, or hoping she could avoid any legal consequences
Inevitable then, that the govt would seize on the welcome distraction from their Brexit clusterfuck

BiglyBadgers · 20/02/2019 12:24

#PMQs is just so awful

Well I certainly can't fault him on that one. Today's in particular seems a bit of a farce.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:25

DG Do you think the Tory women will shame the men into action, or put them off following ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:26

Past PMQs with different PMs and Opposition Leaders have been riveting

Maybot vs dimwit was never going to be

DGRossetti · 20/02/2019 12:28

DG Do you think the Tory women will shame the men into action, or put them off following ?

It might highlight their spinelessness ?

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:28

I hope the Independent Group strengthen their possible influence on Brexit by reaching out to other parties - the Nationalists and the LDems - to loosely support the same amendments etc

John Rentoul@JohnRentoul

Anna Soubry enjoying her new position, chatting energetically to SNP MP

AutumnCrow · 20/02/2019 12:29

On dear.

TatianaLarina · 20/02/2019 12:30

Imagine a Nazi death cult invaded Scotland, enslaved & raped all the girls like your daughters, Beheaded or burned alive your sons, your partner, your parents. Destroyed your museums, your art, erasing millenia of culture

You might not feel compassion for an English teenager who was thrilled by the beheaders and rushed to join them

I think the point at which you stop feeling compassion for people is the point you tip into Nazism.

Personally I would feel compassion for any teenager brainwashed and brutalised by a cult whether Nazism or ISIS. I would want them to have a chance of rehabilitation.

To claim any kind of moral highground you have to live the values you want to see. Otherwise you’re not better than the people you criticise.

prettybird · 20/02/2019 12:32

I'm wondering if that is a bot response as a) it doesn't make sense and b) it doesn't relate to anything that was posted recently even though it is "addressed" to me. Confused

derxa · 20/02/2019 12:35

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prettybird · 20/02/2019 12:35

One of the things that Ian Blackford said on Monday night was the TV doesn't give anywhere near the impression of the wall of sound and barracking that they face. He was also very disparaging of the conventions of This Place that don't allow him to say Liar when an MP (PM or not) has outright lied Hmm, yet does allow MPs to say to other MPs in the house to commit suicide Shock

AutumnCrow · 20/02/2019 12:36

Indeed, prettybird

Peregrina · 20/02/2019 12:36

Harzard - if I were a betting person I would bet you a tenner that they won't jump. All talk. But I am not a betting person.

I was wrong. I am not a betting person, but a tenner has gone to the Peoples vote campaign.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:36

Peter Foster@pmdfoster

This. From someone well connected. Tallies also with what I’ve heard elsewhere.
........
Mujtaba Rahman@MijEurope

A few more data points to support my negativity @JGForsyth
Based on chats w all sides. Short #Brexit thread

^Cox has left impression with his EU counterparts that if only he'd been involved, outcome would somehow be different /1
^
Very frustrating for EU, which has had to re-explain to AG why alt arrangements and time limits don't fly.
Tomorrow, they'll do same re unilateral exit clause /2^

Cox, Barclay have tabled no new concrete suggestions.
Nor has May in her discussions with EU leaders.
More worryingly, in calls May has had so far, she's not once mentioned extending A50 /3^

EU side are no fools.
Hard for them to see this as anything other than time wasting /4
^
Still possible process will deliver a combination of things (revised PD, strengthened Juncker-Tusk letter; codicil) that allows Cox to soften his legal advice.^
But lots of risks.
Not least whether it'll deliver a majority in Commons /5

Motheroffourdragons · 20/02/2019 12:37

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AutumnCrow · 20/02/2019 12:42

I'm watching PMQs now live. It really is a very odd institution.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:42

Tatiana Fucking bollocks that not feeling compassion for those who commit genocide makes me no better than them

I would give them full due process - that already keeps me on the moral high ground
I do NOT have to feel compassion
In fact I consider it more praiseworthy to give full legal rights when one considers the ciminals to be totally despicable

Should a Jew feel compassion for Hitler because of his abusive childhood ?

The parents of the Moors Murder victims feel compassion for Hindley & Brady ?

Absurd.

BigChocFrenzy · 20/02/2019 12:44

Is a Jew who feels no compassion for Hiteler no better than Hitler ?

Is a parent of the murdered children no better than Brady & Hindley if they can't feel compassion for them ?

Fucking bollocks

BiglyBadgers · 20/02/2019 12:46

An observation from Nicola Sturgeon on PMQs I find myself agreeing with wholeheartedly

Westminstenders: Distract and divert. Just close your eyes.