Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

I wouldn't worry too much about Missed saying he'd vote. Despite his claimed in 16/17, he didn't vote the last time. Also he'd have to be on an electoral register. I'm not sure his Ex, who moved without telling him has put him on at her new address.

Yes I do. Everyone has more idea about the real implications now

But will the leave voters change their minds? If the perceived mindset is that leave vote was based on

Brussels chiefs like Barnier, etc., are appointed as opposed to elected

and

Immigration is stretching NHS, Schools, Public Services

How has that changed since 2016?

What do you care? You don't live here and haven't for 30 years.

Also he'd have to be on an electoral register

I am. Address is parents house as that is where I lived in UK as soon as the Divorce started (by me). Been registered at same address for approaching 5 years now. Council Tax bill has my name on it along with parents.

What do you care? You don't live here and haven't for 30 years

but still a UK citizen which means I can return to UK whenever I wish

Well , if they are paying rent to you, I suppose you need to be the registered landlord.
We all have property portfolios too. And live outside the UK and the E.U. Just like you. In fact, the UK only exists on TV. People don't actually live here. That's why your opinion is so relevant.

“The perceived benefit to those you describe is that if UK goes into freefall and the pounds takes a nosedive then it will cost them less to visit UK which they probably do even if they do not intend to return to UK permanently.”

Yes, understood, my husband has been senior in the financial markets for decades. Most of it flies right over my head but a fraction has sunk in.
Like all other European holiday makers, they will be welcome to holiday here whenever they wish, I’m sure. That doesn’t give them the moral right to vote here. Yes, I know, I’m on sticky ground enlisting “morals” but what else is left? Do you, Missed, really, truly believe that people in that very specific group, with no intention of ever returning, have greater claim to the right to determine the future of the UK than our 16 and 17 year olds do?
Re. breakdown: it’s not really a stereotype. Analysis in the immediate aftermath demonstrated fairly clearly that broad groups voted in much the same way. Under 50’s majority remain, 50-75 majority leave, 75+ majority remain. Of course there were exceptions. Another interesting factor was education: generally, the higher the level of educational attainment, the greater the likelihood of having voted to remain, across all age groups and social classes.

He doest care bellinisurge, that's why he didn't vote in the last referendum and is so completely ignorant about the facts now.

He had no idea that the UK and RoI were different countries and that MEPs were elected until a few days ago.😂😂😂 And that's just a couple examples. He hasn't got a clue because he doesn't give a shit.

Well , if they are paying rent to you, I suppose you need to be the registered landlord

Why would they need to pay me rent? At moment it is their house not mine.

Well we already know that we are leaving so going forward I'd be more than happy with a vote to decide Brexit terms.

Theresa May's proposal or WT.

You're right @DioneTheDiabolist . Another annoying 🐝.

We need a sarcasm warning for some posters, otherwise they take themselves so seriously.

I am. Address is parents house as that is where I lived in UK as soon as the Divorce started (by me). Been registered at same address for approaching 5 years now. Council Tax bill has my name on it along with parents.

You've done all this while living abroad for the last 30 years?

You're admitting a breach of election law btw. You can't legally be registered to vote from a U.K. address if you are resident abroad. You may have the right to vote as an overseas voter if you have been on the electoral register in the previous 15 years.

But I call bullshit on the "patriot" who does not master basic English writing conventions and who doesn't know basic stuff about UK electoral law.

@Mistigri , can I just say that you are bloody awesome to come back and march.

Sarcasm - lowest form of wit and I'm surprised at some posters using it.

Do you, Missed, really, truly believe that people in that very specific group, with no intention of ever returning, have greater claim to the right to determine the future of the UK than our 16 and 17 year olds do?

Some might say they have no intention of returning to UK, but I know many who have. Australia was a good example. When the pound dived the UK retirees pension that was paid in pounds was not enough to live on so they returned to UK.

As pound has weakened against Euro those who retired to Spain may not have as much disposable income as before? There is a lot of bravado spun by those who have retired to warmer climates whilst they try and impress others who are still in the UK.

Now to the bit about 16 and 17 year olds. Minimum age to vote in UK is 18. So if not 18 on or before 23 June 2016 you could not vote. Nothing more to say on that as lines have to be drawn somewhere.

I was too young to vote when UK first joined the EU over 40 years ago in 1975. So those who were born in 1958 or later have had to wait till 2016, 41 years, before they could voice an opinion.

Is that not the same as what those under 18 at time of 2016 referendum face today? Their future being decided by older people who can vote?

Essential difference between those who voted remain and those who voted leave is simple:

Leavers think UK will be better off by leaving the EU

Remainers think UK will be worse off by leaving the EU

I get the feeling that some who voted remain want Brexit to be a failure so they can say "we told you so"

if you have been on the electoral register in the previous 15 years

Seems to be that way. Before divorce wife and children lived in the UK from 2007. Before that I was at my parents house.

Actually @MissedTheBoatAgain , I've never wanted to be more wrong in my life. If I'm wrong, all good; if I'm right, varying degrees of shit. Or if you are you and haven't lived here or in the E.U. for 30 years, it doesn't matter one way or the other.

I was too young to vote when UK first joined the EU over 40 years ago in 1975. So those who were born in 1958 or later have had to wait till 2016, 41 years, before they could voice an opinion.

I was also too young to vote in 1975.

However, because I have lived abroad for over 15 years, like missedtheboat, and because I think electoral fraud is a crime, unlike missedtheboat, I did not cast a vote. Even though - like missedtheboat - I have a UK address and could vote (fraudulently) if I was so minded.

To Mistigiri

Starting to wonder if i can claim back the council tax I have paid over the years?

MTBA is just arguing for argument's sake, no real point in engaging.

Chances are the nearest he has got to working in the oil industry is when he fills his car up at ASDA

I was too young to vote when UK first joined the EU over 40 years ago in 1975. So those who were born in 1958 or later have had to wait till 2016, 41 years, before they could voice an opinion.

All that waiting.

So much waiting.
And then...
...at long last...
...after sooo many years...
...41 of them...
...you eventually get a chance to voice your opinion. Hurray!

And you didn't bother your arse voting.😂😂😂

Missedtheboat, can't your accountant advise you on that? Why are you asking for tax advice on a parenting website?

I don't usually engage jas. But this one is Brexit personified: doesn't think electoral law applies to him and doesn't like paying taxes.

Let's not allow misinformation spread by criminals to go unanswered.

Chances are the nearest he has got to working in the oil industry is when he fills his car up at ASDA

Not many ASDA's or anything else in the deserts or on top of an Oil Platform or FPSO.