Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

"Er, the Leave side won - shouldn't they be the ones reaching out to us?"

They don't need to reach out to you because they won. History now unfolds according to their logic.

Those who wanted a second referendum, and for the outcome of that referendum to be convincingly Remain, needed to get out door-knocking from the day after the last vote. Instead, there is a kind of attitude that says 'I'm not sullying myself by speaking to such people - I will simply sit in my house and whine to anyone who will listen on the internet'. It's a very odd concept of being politically effective, to be honest, and not one that speaks of very much experience of activist politics at a local or national level. Remain's major failure in this whole thing was not to seize control of the political discourse in a way that made any convincing sense to Leave demographics. They didn't really even attempt to reach across the divide in many cases.

In a democracy, everybody's vote counts. Which is why you can't hide behind your gated community, in your fortified house, sending your kids to posh schools, socialising with only middle class people, and frequenting only middle class places and always expect to have everything your gilded, golden way. Because those your life excludes still matter, and if you build a society that is deeply unequal, they will come roaring back against you.

(I voted Remain, btw).

Leave 'won', now it is their duty to make the UK a better place.
Off you go boys and girls, your time has come.

*Which is why you can't hide behind your gated community, in your fortified house, sending your kids to posh schools, socialising with only middle class people, and frequenting only middle class places and always expect to have everything your gilded, golden way. Because those your life excludes still matter, and if you build a society that is deeply unequal, they will come roaring back against you8

Is this perception or Remainers still doing the rounds? what % of the population live in a gated community????

The vast majority of leave or remainers are just ordinary people who have little understanding of the issues, any more than they have knowledge of Orthopedics or Nuclear Medicine.

If the WA had been presented to Parliament before 2016, it would have been rejected out of hand.

The HoC now needs to do what is best for the country, the result of the referendum should now be ignored in that respect.

They have children here

I have dependants I UK too.

Remain voter - my kids go to the local comprehensive. Jesus.

Most counties in the UK had a vast chunk of ordinary remain supporters.

They can fuck off. I'm prepared to accept WA because it's better than no deal

Maybe leave voters think the same about you and would prefer a No Deal?

I predict that 95% of people who voted to remain will say yes, because they will clutch at any straw. The other 5% haven’t changed their mind but they fear for the state of democracy if there is a second referendum and Brexit is overturned because of it.

I predict that 95% of people who voted leave will say No, because we already had a referendum and you can’t just stamp your foot and demand another one if you don’t like result. The other 5% have changed their mind because they have been terrified by the horror predictions of leaving no deal. And they are the sort of people who can’t make a decision in TGI Friday when faced with an over-large menu where every option is shit anyway.

{Maybe leave voters think the same about you and would prefer a No Deal?}
A poll not long back showed that 26% in the UK think that 'no deal' means that nothing will change significantly. They are going to be badly disappointed when it does. Not only did so many not think through 'consequences' of leaving, but they still refuse to understand.

Most leavers I know do not nk no deal will mean no significant changes. (Except my mother but she’s an idiot.)

They think it will be very tough for a couple of years while a period or adjustment happens, but that in the long term it will be far better than a bad deal. They are largely very intelligent, clued up people who know about economics and global finance and don’t just regurgitate shit they hear on the Internet.

Do not think

@MissedTheBoatAgain i don't care what Leave voters think any more and, as you don't live here, what do you care. If there are people who force us to No Deal they are unpatriotic idiots.

Remain voter - kids at the local comp and shock horror I claim some benefits as I'm a lone parent.

Personally I don't see the point. Referendums are advisory.

I'd want the Leave campaign fraud investigation to be carried out and any criminal behaviour punished rather than another referendum. This subject has split the nation really deeply and I'd like bridges to be mended so that the UK can remain in tact.

I think the result will be similar to last time unless people who didn't vote and the young turn up but I wouldn't hold my breath there.

If there are people who force us to No Deal they are unpatriotic idiots

So you definition of an idiot is someone who has a different opinion to yours?

No, my definition of an idiot is someone who thinks No Deal is ok. But nice try from wherever your time zone is.

No, my definition of an idiot is someone who thinks No Deal is ok

Which dictionary did you obtain your definition?

Can we have a bit of civility please?

Name calling is rather unhelpful and only gets people's backs up.

With the first referendum; everyone was misinformed. And I don’t think anyone took it that seriously, ie thought it as going to be academic and we would remain.
However, with a fuller picture and the ramifications of a potno deal Brexit, of course there should be a vote. However TM has not actually set put the details of her leave deal, so what would the leavers be voting for.

@MissedTheBoatAgain lives neither in the UK or the E.U. and yet appears to think NoDeal is an acceptable option. I wonder why that is?

With the first referendum; everyone was misinformed

Only according to those who voted remain. Remember the booklet that remain campaign sent to every household at cost of £9 million to the UK Taxpayer. That spelt out the risks of a leave result.

and yet appears to think NoDeal is an acceptable option

Even May has previously said No Deal is better than a bad deal.

@MissedTheBoatAgain , and not your risk. You don't live here. Some people were prepared to take it. That's their point of view. Now the reality of it is sinking in. It's WA or Crash out. Or, Revoke. I prefer WA as the least worst Leave option.

That was then @MissedTheBoatAgain . TM isn't saying that now. Keep up.

Yes. May’s deal or Remain.

No Deal beyond irresponsible.

"They think it will be very tough for a couple of years while a period or adjustment happens, but that in the long term it will be far better than a bad deal."

There is no 'good deal for everyone' because the relations of work are inherently antagonistic. There's a good deal for the wealthy, where wages and working conditions are driven downwards allowing the extension of capital. And there's a good deal for the people, where wages and environmental regulation are upheld. I'm sure that those who are advocating 'no deal' at the top of our society genuinely believe, with reason, that it will be good for them. Whether it's good for the rest of us is another matter.