Who thinks there should be another referendum

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Who thinks there should be another referendum?
My mum says there shouldn't but my husband says there should be I'm not very sure.

What do u think?

Question Time from Dudley this week was very interesting. A diverse audience with a lot of sensible and well informed opinions about knife crime and racism. And they were overwhelmingly against a second referendum.

I'd hate one that had No Deal as an option. Idiots would take it.

Yes ithe first was based upon lies and deceit. There should also be a public inquiry with Cameron in the hot seat!

There has already been 2 votes on EU. So why have a 3rd?

I'd hate one that had No Deal as an option. Idiots would take it

A vote cast by someone with IQ of 20 carries the same weight as a vote cast by someone with IQ of 200.

We were voting in the dark

The ballot paper had two choices. Leave or Remain.

What is not clear about that?

Missedtheboat, why do you care so much when you don't live or work in the UK or EU? Do you even have the right to vote in any referendum?

Frankly, @MissedTheBoatAgain , if you do not live or work in either the UK or the E.U., not sure why you are even bothering .

Do you even have the right to vote in any referendum?

Yes as I am British Citizen.

Yes as I am British Citizen.

Not all British citizens have the right to vote.

MissedTheBoatAgain
This is obviously a world accessible web chat site so everyone can join in. It would be best if you didn't keep repeating things that have already been debunked as lies by the Leave campaigners.
Maybe you could suggest things that the Leaver's can do to compensate for the significant losses to manufacturing and the Financial industries that are about to happen in 3 weeks. A way of creating around 2 million jobs would be good.

A way of creating around 2 million jobs would be good

If the stereotype vision of someone who Voted is an unemployed benefits scrounger is correct how will they be able to create 2 million Jobs?

@MissedTheBoatAgain , I have siblings that are UK citizens but don't live or work in the UK or the E.U. while they are as horrified by this shitshow as anyone else, they have the common decency not to try and spread their opinions on highly charged threads in the UK because, baldly speaking, it's none of their tax paying business. They voted Remain via a Leave supporting proxy.

I have siblings that are UK citizens but don't live or work in the UK or the E.U. while they are as horrified by this shitshow as anyone else, they have the common decency not to try and spread their opinions on highly charged threads in the UK because, baldly speaking, it's none of their tax paying business. They voted Remain via a Leave supporting proxy

If none of their business why did they Vote at all?

If the stereotype vision of someone who Voted is an unemployed benefits scrounger is correct how will they be able to create 2 million Jobs?
This is your own interpretation. Authoritarianism has far more to do with whether you voted Leave. Ironically they will probably struggle most with the complete uncertainty from 29th March. Remain voters are flexible thinkers.

So many questions. Why would someone who does not live in the U.K. or EU and who did not vote in the referendum spend so much time posting about this? And why the weird and random capitalisation of words? Not a native English speaker?

I really worry that another referendum isn't the way out.

Another remain/leave poll will either reinforce the Leave vote, or put us in a position where we have two diametrically opposed democratic mandates. Unless it was resoundingly Remain (and it would need to be 65/35 or so) it would leave us in the same quandary we are currently in,

A People's Vote on the outcome could well just be a rubber stamp on the deal, and is unlikely to open up any new options.

The problem with a direct democratic process like a referendum in a representative process is that can create political havoc. We now have a system that is designed to work with 2 parties coping with a 4-way split: Labour/Tory; Remain/Leave.

I honestly think the best outcome for the country is probably some kind of BINO right now. No deal would be catastrophic.

I think there should be a second referendum. Leave voters now know there won't be more money and there will be more immigration from countries outside Europe.

{If the stereotype vision of someone who Voted is an unemployed benefits scrounger is correct how will they be able to create 2 million Jobs?}

There are workers in Sunderland who were told that voting Leave will likely impact their jobs. Significant numbers of them will need new jobs within the next 4 years or less. I get the feeling they are expecting the government money tree to shower them with benefits when their jobs go. They have deliberately endangered their own job security, I call that reckless and irresponsible.

" Leave voters now know there won't be more money and there will be more immigration from countries outside Europe."

I'm afraid that they don't. My impression is that very few Leave voters have shifted their positions significantly since the last referendum. The extraordinary thing is that there has really been no concerted effort by Remainers to reach out across the divide and change their minds. Each side has retreated into its own bubble, and is talking its own language.

@MissedTheBoatAgain - they were entitled to vote. They have children here. But they keep out of discussions on uk politics because it is not really any thing that affects their daily lives anymore. Bit like you.

Yes. We are being dragged down by the Tories for the sake of their own party politics. The result in 2016 was based on a campaign of lies and with no guidance on what Brexit meant in practice; now that the reality is known we should put it back to the people to decide if they really want their country ruined for the sake of some kind of concieted national arrogance. Best to have 3 options on the table; leave with May's deal, leave with no deal or remain. Hopefully the leave vote will be split enough that remain swings it and we can forget this whole nonsense.

The extraordinary thing is that there has really been no concerted effort by Remainers to reach out across the divide and change their minds.

Er, the Leave side won - shouldn't they be the ones reaching out to us?
They should by now have convinced us with a long list of benefits.

we can forget this whole nonsense

but we do need to address the causes, which IMO were primarily austerity and the feeling that Westminster is too far away and doesn't listen.

The fact that the Westminster Government has no Cabinet members representing seats further north than the West Midlands does rather tell a story, and I think it was 5 or six representing Surrey seats.

I have absolutely no intention of reaching out to Leave. They can fuck off. I'm prepared to accept WA because it's better than no deal.