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Westminstenders: Competitive Stupidity

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RedToothBrush · 10/02/2019 16:00

A week of wondering which MP is going to be the most dumb.

There is stiff competition between parties and remain / leave.

Expect incredible bids of ignorance and incompetence to curl your toes, with a bit of constitutional craziness thrown in for good measure.

Valentine's Day beckons...

... And so does the No Deal Divorce.

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colouringinpro · 10/02/2019 21:26

Fucking terrified now.

dontcallmelen · 10/02/2019 21:29

I have been painting lots of random thing last week I painted my kitchen chairs, find it quite therapeutic I just concentrate on the task in hand bit like gardening I suppose in way.

DangermousesSidekick · 10/02/2019 21:31

PMK. Thanks for these threads.

One day I might get started on knitting these cardis I've been planning for the kids for a couple of years now.

BollocksToBrexit · 10/02/2019 21:32

The Sweden Democrats are a hugely controversial party which has its roots in neo-nazi movements of the 20th century.

They don't have roots in 'neo-nazi movements'. Their roots are in full on bona fide nazism. Trace their organisation back through it's various incarnations to it's founding members and you'll find a bloke who was Waffen SS officer during WWII.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 21:37

Der Spiegel Interview with Ken Clarke - excellent insights into background & current mess

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/interview-with-kenneth-clarke-on-brexit-a-1252188.html

Since the prime minister has committed herself to persuade the Europeans to reopen the Withdrawal Agreement,
everybody is waiting for a miraculous solution.

In the meantime, the government is trying to avoid having any serious business in the House of Commons.

On Monday, we spent a whole day debating sports!
I have been here a very long time, but I have never seen such a crazy situation in all my life on such a serious subject.
...
The prime minister is obsessed with keeping the Conservative Party in one piece.

I have argued for months that the moderate majority of the House of Commons should come together on a cross-party basis.
We can only reach an agreement if Tory remainers and Labour remainers strike a compromise.
But Theresa May has not really reached out to them.

Instead, she is making a desperate effort to win over the hardline right-wing people of our party.
...
We can't carry on being so insane
....
There was always a group of nationalists in the Tory party that didn't come to terms with our changed role in the world.
In their eyes we have an imperial destiny.

But that was fading away and we were becoming a rather pro-European party in the 1980s under Margaret Thatcher.
Remember, it was us who had to persuade the Germans and French of the single market.
....
She rejected Jacques Delors' idea of a more social Europe.

Her fall in 1990 enraged the Tory far-right.
They thought it was all a kind of pro-European plot.
The European issue became symbolic of the betrayal of Margaret Thatcher.
It became a spiritual event - revenge for Margaret.
....
They have formed a party within the party.
They have their own leader, they have their own whip.
I would love to see them leaving the party. It would help.
And it would stop Theresa May in giving too high a priority to trying to keep these ultrafanatics on side.
.....
It's a very nasty climate out there. People are retreating into angry simplicities.

Half the population is angry about politicians not getting on with it, they're not following the detail,
they haven't a clue what the Irish backstop is, and they couldn't care less.
They just want it to be over.

The other half does follow quite fairly, intensely, more than usual.
They are divided in angry remainers who are ever more ferociously for remaining
and angry leavers who ever more ferociously feel they are being betrayed.
....
The Brexit debate has absolutely crippled our party-political system and it has distorted the usual process of political debate.
...
This is almost a nervous breakdown, we need to stop it.

bellinisurge · 10/02/2019 21:37

Can I suggest you all give Sara Paretsky novels a try? We all need a tough female Chicago PI (V I Warshawski) with a social conscience in our lives.

Jericho1 · 10/02/2019 21:38

Tories continue to flirt with Nazis
Nope. There's a gruesome metaphor in there, but they've definitely gone beyond flirting.

Most downturns give new opportunities for at least a few folk
Absolutely. Gun running, drug trafficking, fake passports, prostitution, all sorts of new opportunities one would expect in a failed state. Marvellous.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/brexit/8393121/theresa-may-brexit-deal-72-hours/
72 hours before B day.

Not fascisty at all.

Airports are going to be like the evacuation of Phnom Penh that week.
Lovely.

PestyMachtubernahme · 10/02/2019 21:43

BCF I know what the backstop is, I want it to be over.

Brexit is never going to work nicely. The border is a huge issue. We had chats on here about it, RTB was there.

Anyone who does not think it is an issue, does not understand.

I made my DC, DSC & DFC read it, Raab needs to come and have a spell as a foster kid here, his education is lacking.

I may be in ranty mood.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 21:49

"Project After"

Basically, rescuing the UK economy after No Deal Brexit.

The Project After group is said to have been put together by the Cabinet Secretary and head of the civil service Sir Mark Sedwill, with senior figures from the Treasury, Cabinet Office, the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy and the Department for International Trade.

The options said to have been considered by the group – which has been working since the summer and is in close contact with the Bank of England – range from cutting taxes and boosting investment to slashing tariffs.

“It’s basically a Doomsday list of economic levers we could pull if the economy is about to tank,”
one Whitehall source is quoted as saying.

https://www.ft.com/content/58637ad8-2a31-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/i-will-not-negotiate-brexit-with-may-over-dinner-says-leo-varadkar-903145.html

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 21:52

Yup, Pesty I remember how we were sneered at here for Project Fear on NI.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 21:53

All we can say about the WA is that No Deal Brexit would be far far worse

Loletta · 10/02/2019 21:53

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Uptheapplesandpears · 10/02/2019 21:53

On the subject of new opportunities, I'm reminded Frankie Boyle who talked of people swapping sex for insulin and vice versa. That type of thing.

PestyMachtubernahme · 10/02/2019 22:04

Uptheapples I have a Type one diabetic niece in US, she has been advised to marry a government worker as the best way to get cover now she has turned 21 Shock

QueenOfThorns · 10/02/2019 22:23

BigChoc I had a dream about Ken Clarke a few nights ago. I’ve always thought of him as just another nasty Tory, but he’s one of the few voices of reason at the moment. He’s been around for such a long time, why aren’t they listening to him? Anyway, in my dream, I saw him on the other side of the road and crossed over to shake his hand. I’m sure that’s very symbolic or something!

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 22:23

pesty Is that common advice for those in the US with chronic conditions or disabilities, who aren't from wealthy families ? Sad

Unless health benefits are retained after divorce, that could really tie her to staying in an unhappy or even abusive marriage
It gives too much power to her spouse

Jericho1 · 10/02/2019 22:29

Guess which corrupt racist piece of Kompromat just said 'no' to Jezza's offer and potential to keep our beautiful peace and GFA?

PestyMachtubernahme · 10/02/2019 22:30

Apparently it is BCF if you apply for a government job, they assess your health and this counts towards the probability of a job offer. But once a worker is at a certain level, their prospective spouse does not get asked health questions. Hmm Open to all sorts of abuse. Useful if you need a beard, as some still do.

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 22:31

Queen 😂 Sounds a nice soothing dream
Friendly, but not erotic !

I always wanted Ken Clarke to be leader, after MrsT was forced out.

However, at every contest, being moderate and pro-European scuppered him - all those years of MrsT provided a gateway for an influx of hard right Tories and an ideological hard right turn.

Just like 8 years of Reagan provided the gateway that enabled the hard US right to take over the Republican party.

PestyMachtubernahme · 10/02/2019 22:33

She has the power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SwedishEdith · 10/02/2019 22:37

twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/1094725247075565569

Sam Coates Times
@SamCoatesTimes
6m6 minutes ago

NEW: Theresa May letter to Jeremy Corbyn

  • Luke warm defence leaving customs union cd discomfort brexiteers 🧨
  • TM admits frictionless trade will be “negotiating challenge” 😱
  • Leaves door open to working with Corbyn: but how will more brexit inclined Tories feel about this?🤬
PestyMachtubernahme · 10/02/2019 22:42

So, no deal it is. Sad

BigChocFrenzy · 10/02/2019 22:43

Brexit and WW1 railway timetables

We've touched on this similarity before,
but I was thinking this morning that just like WW1 became inevitable after a certain point,
we are very near the point at which No Deal Brexit becomes inevitable

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/comment/evening-standard-comment-britain-is-being-railroaded-into-a-hard-brexit-disaster-energy-cap-doesn-t-a4060206.html?

Question: How come Britain risks a no-deal Brexitt* in 50 days’ time
when the European Union and four-fifths of the House of Commons say they are against one?

Answer: because of the railway timetables.

That would be the warning from the late British historian AJP Taylor,
who came up with an original theory of how the First World War started when none of the major powers at the time wanted a conflict.

He taught us to look beyond the diplomatic wrangling of that summer of 1914 and study instead the intricate mobilisation plans for the huge armies at the time.
Once the trains of soldiers were on their way to the frontlines, he explained, they could not be turned around.

So war was all but inevitable, whether the governments at the time wanted it or not.
Something similarly alarming, if not quite as fatal, is happening with Brexit.

megletthesecond · 10/02/2019 22:46

I've started weaving something from scraps of fabric. No idea what it'll be when it's finished but it's very meditative.

lonelyplanetmum · 10/02/2019 22:50

Paranoid Malign Kangaroo
(Or something like that.)

Thank you as always to RTB.