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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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nuttynutjob · 04/02/2019 21:37

PMK

Dictator Maybot still trying to keep the Tory party together .

wherearemychickens · 04/02/2019 21:39

To be fair, I don't like strawberries in January - not a great fan of food miles, and greenhouse complexes you can see from space in southern Spain causing water and plastic pollution & with bad employment practices.

People on life saving medication, I am clearly in favour of!

wherearemychickens · 04/02/2019 21:42

Also a written constitution. I am more in more in favour of us having one of those. Wholesale constitutional reform in fact.

PerverseConverse · 04/02/2019 21:43

@wherearemychickens nah, natural selection innit Grin

Some posting here must have no worries in the event of no deal. No family or friends that will be affected. No concerns at all. Just sunny uplands, unicorns frolicking under rainbows and seasonal fruit and veg.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/02/2019 21:47

We accept there has got to be a backstop, says Labour’s Starmer

Is this Labour policy now ?
Including for Corbyn, who was saying it was unacceptable that the Uk could not unilaterally withdraw - which would defeat the whole purpose of the backstop !
Starmer trying to work around Corbyn's idiocies as usual then

https://www.breakingnews.ie/world/we-accept-there-has-got-to-be-a-backstop-says-labours-starmer-902169.html

Labour has insisted that a Brexit withdrawal deal must include an Irish border backstop.

Shadow Brexit secretary Keir Starmer said that with the clock ticking down to the UK’s departure from the EU, it was “impossible to see a way forward without a backstop”.

During a visit to Belfast, Mr Starmer said while Labour had difficulties with the form of the backstop in the current deal, he and colleagues acknowledged there was a need for such an insurance policy in principle, to ensure a free-flowing Irish border post-Brexit.

“From the Labour Party point of view, we obviously see that there are difficulties with the backstop,” he said.
“There are features there that are going to cause concern.
But we recognise there is a need for a backstop at this stage of the exercise.”

BigChocFrenzy · 04/02/2019 21:51

Starmer:

"The Prime Minister and her team have spent over 12 months trying to find an alternative to the backstop.

We have only got the backstop because they couldn’t find an alternative

“So for her to go back now saying, ‘I don’t want the backstop, I want an alternative’ is to stand the last 12 months on its head.

“And I think that’s what is causing the anxiety because nobody realistically thinks she’s going to succeed in that objective.”

Loletta · 04/02/2019 21:57

BCF
Didn't TM recently say in the HoC - when she was bullying trying to persuade MPs to vote for the WA - that any deal requires a backstop? So if everyone agrees a backstop is needed why on earth can't the WA pass?

colouringinpro · 04/02/2019 22:01

Civil contingencies act GinGinGin

PerverseConverse · 04/02/2019 22:05

Someone has said on another thread that everything tats coming through now will still get through now they've said lorries can come through. Not convinced that everything is suddenly going to be fine with imports and exports al of a suddenConfused

MissMalice · 04/02/2019 22:12

Silently not really following along but finding comfort in place marking anyway.

TheElementsSong · 04/02/2019 22:18

Is aggrieved derailer extraordinaire Riley McRiledFace back? Grin

Oh, and PMK!

Motheroffourdragons · 04/02/2019 22:19

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KennDodd · 04/02/2019 22:22

I heard on the radio today that with the EU/Japan deal coming online we now have free trade deals covering 84% of the world's trade. I think that's what they said. Does anybody know if that's correct?

BigChocFrenzy · 04/02/2019 22:28

Loletta Not everone agrees a backstop is necessary:

Some Brexiters believe in a magic tech solution (which doesn't exist anywhere in the world and noone can specify one)
Others want to rip up the GFA because they've always hated it

Peregrina · 04/02/2019 22:32

When our Leaver friend reappeared I thought:

Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.

Variously attributed to Proverbs, Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain.

PerverseConverse · 04/02/2019 22:35

@TheElementsSong it was a fly by visit Grin

jasjas1973 · 04/02/2019 22:35

Less and less between Lab and the Cons on the WA, May won't need the ERG to get her deal through at this rate.

BigChocFrenzy · 04/02/2019 22:40

jas At this stage, I'd gladly settle for the WA
The alternative is No Deal

If there are a lot of genuine Remainers in Parliament then they need to stand up, say so and vote so !
Up to now, except for a tiny few, they've always put their careers and party first

So, I'm not pinning my hope on cowardly careerists having the courage of their beliefs

BigChocFrenzy · 04/02/2019 22:43

It's no good saying Remainer MPs will do something when they are almost all too bloody chicken and keep backing down

Time has almost run out.

If they are going to do anything, their absolute last chance is mid-Feb, when May returns to the Hoc presumably without anything substantial

megletthesecond · 04/02/2019 22:46

The news was strange today wasn't it. Like Brexit wasn't a looming disaster after all Confused.

I did enjoy watching the sports in the UK debate in the commons this evening. Felt a bit odd watching them generally agree about something positive. Don't see that often these days.

Lucygoeswalkies · 04/02/2019 22:49

PMK - and off to google the Civil Contingencies Act...

PerverseConverse · 04/02/2019 22:53

Have just read the news article about the lorries being allowed through and it doesn't solve much at all so I'll continue to prep.

PerverseConverse · 04/02/2019 22:54

Night night all, try to have sweet dreams Brew(cocoa (with brandy))

OlennasWimple · 04/02/2019 23:00

PMK with a sigh