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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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TalkinPeece · 06/02/2019 20:00

Littlespace
The trouble with rejoining after leaving is that it would have to be on exactly the same terms as any other new joiner
so none of the opt outs that John Major negotiated so excellently
AND it would have to be a unanimous vote

we would be behind Macedonia and Serbia in the queue

dontcallmelen · 06/02/2019 20:00

Thank you dexra yy Little then I think if that was to happen maybe something could be salvaged, I doubt very much it will happen unfortunately, they are just so spineless & mostly self serving. I really really just want to cry at the moment, I think listening to the DUP on the news this evening pushed me over the edge.

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 20:01

{ WA is like a slow bleeding to death for the UK }
It certainly will be if some grown ups don't start negotiating properly from the word go (30 March).
The UK started this crap, they need to get a plan together and decide what they want. Criticising the EU for not writing a plan for the UK is ridiculous (as is everything to do with Brexit).
Of course if the UK wasn't sovereign the EU could ride in and take over and things would be rather more stable.

frumpety · 06/02/2019 20:02

A place in hell ? are you sure ? a place in Hull seems more current

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/google-maps-2019-latest-funny-hornsea-school-rename-hell-on-earth-a8765956.html

Destiel · 06/02/2019 20:03

They wouldn't listen.

True beleavers have been radicalised (Like trump supporters in the USA)

Remainers are aghast and fed up being told its "project fear"

People who didn't vote are just sick of it and prob very worried too.

I think the thing ^ all the above have in common is that we just want the govt to ACT.

Whether that is no deal, revoke, remain or WA.

(Obv I dont want no deal but many do)

You simply cannot argue with the the mindset of radicalised people.

People who have been so brainwashed that they are happy to lose their job, their kids future, the NHS, because "sovereignity", "immigration", "taking back control"...

It's all been ^ proved utter bollocks of course. But it doesn't matter. Cognitive dissonance innit.

Did I mention how tired I am?

LittleSpace · 06/02/2019 20:04

It is in MP's own interest to form such a movement and very fast. They will reap a much tougher whirlwind afterwards when the shit hits the fan. From Remainers and Brexiteers.

I'm amazed that they are not scrabbling to save their arses. How can they live with not acting?

Efferlunt · 06/02/2019 20:05

Glad to know that not everyone has given up! It’s already having horrible consequences round here - a well-heeled commuter town where every other house has someone who works in London. Two people on my street who work in banking and pharma respectively are on the verge of loosing their jobs another has been out of work for six months and is contemplating emigrating.

1tisILeClerc · 06/02/2019 20:06

{The trouble with rejoining after leaving is that it would have to be on exactly the same terms as any other new joiner
so none of the opt outs that John Major negotiated so excellently
AND it would have to be a unanimous vote
we would be behind Macedonia and Serbia in the queue}

The EU have already said that (because the UK are special snowflakes) it could rejoin relatively easily as most of the legislation and 'standards' match the EU at present. There would have to be a massive about turn in the mentality of the UK government, and it is difficult to see that happening unless the ERG and friends were sent to Siberia on a sabbatical.

dontcallmelen · 06/02/2019 20:07

I have a Labour MP live in a London constituency, would it be worth contacting her?

LittleSpace · 06/02/2019 20:08

Siberia sounds good. Excellent plan.

GD12 · 06/02/2019 20:09

Has anyone posted this? May is considering postponing next week's vote!

twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1093199924810973186?s=19

Destiel · 06/02/2019 20:09

I'm wondering when leaver MPs and labour rebels will realise what they've unleashed?

I wonder when they will start to panic?

LittleSpace · 06/02/2019 20:09

Everyone should be lobbying.

Cailleach1 · 06/02/2019 20:12

Destiel, as long as it is the Leave voters who lose their jobs first. That would be right and proper. They should also go to the back of the queue for NHS or anything else that has less funding because of what they inflicted on everyone.

prettybird · 06/02/2019 20:16

To be fair, we wouldn't be "behind" Serbia and Macedonia.

There is no "queue" per se. Accession states can join once they meet the criteria. Smile

Being "at the back of the queue" was one of the lies misconceptions I learnt about during the Indyref Grin

Now, if the UK were to ask to join shortly after leaving, we should, in theory, met all the criteria as our legislation would still be aligned. We would of course have to commit to join the Euro, but we wouldn't be able to do so immediately, as the UK's deficit makes it ineligible. But we could, of course, do what Sweden does, which for some strange reason Wink never quite meets the criteria to join the Eurozone so has to continue to use its own currency Wink

But if the UK signs up the US Trade deals when it is desperate leaves it too long and makes too quick a bonfire of regulations while the disaster capitalists pick over what is left of the economy Sad, then it will take even longer to rejoin Sad

Destiel · 06/02/2019 20:17

Even surfer is planning to prep now I hear....

But, you know, project fear and all that...

Destiel · 06/02/2019 20:19

My ndn voted leave.

He works in the car industry and she was a self employed beautician.

He is going to lose his job and she has had to take on a second job.

My sympathy knows no beginning.

PestyMachtubernahme · 06/02/2019 20:21

We wouldn't have to join the euro

Hazards · 06/02/2019 20:21

I've ummd over contacting out MP again. He's currently backing PV....late to the party on it but whatevs. He's on the cusp of taking money from the Tories for WA support...he's hinted at it in his brexit update. Also in hindsight he regrets voting to trigger A50.

I think it'll be along the lines of "well done for getting logical but your regrets are no use now your party has waited to long to act and Corbyn is shite. Try harder and do something fast."???

LittleSpace · 06/02/2019 20:22

Destiel Would they change their vote to Remain now?

Why wouldn't we have to join the Euro?

prettybird · 06/02/2019 20:23

We wouldn't be able to join the Euro Grin. Our deficit is too large Shock (and will end up even larger after Brexit Sad)

SwedishEdith · 06/02/2019 20:24

This article is doing the rounds at the moment - I voted Leave but our inept leaders have changed my mind

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/i-voted-leave-but-our-inept-leaders-have-made-me-change-my-mind-j7sv777rj

Whilst it's a welcome viewpoint, I'm struggling a bit with "So, I have wanted to leave the EU since 1973." and suggesting she's relatively well-informed with "I did not believe that the establishment could really be in such a shambles." How can she not have noticed?

umpteennamechanges · 06/02/2019 20:27

On Episode 2 of Inside Europe.

Absolutely fascinating, I'm blown away by how much of a candid insight it gives.

The Greece crisis has so many parallels with our own, except they had a PM who did the right thing for their country in the end against the referendum.

Member745520 · 06/02/2019 20:29

Just trying to catch up - and learning a lot - but to Pesty's Well, I doubt Lucifer would welcome them, as after what they did to Britain, they would even manage to divide hell

I'm sure the Father of Lies would welcome his family back home ? Smile

Destiel · 06/02/2019 20:30

No, I dont think so.

There are plenty of leavers who think the loss of manufacturing and retail jobs over the past 2 years is normal and nothing to do with Brexit.