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Westminstenders: It's oh so quiet...

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RedToothBrush · 04/02/2019 15:14

It's oh so quiet // It's oh so still // You're all alone // And so peaceful until

You ring the news // Bim bam // You shout and you yell // Hi ho ho // You broke the spell // Gee, this is swell you almost have a fit // Brexit is fab and I got hit // There's no mistake get on with it

'Til it's over and then // It's nice and quiet //
Shh shh // But soon again // Shh shh // Uh oh let's start a big riot

You blow a fuse // Zing boom // The devil cuts loose // Zing boom // What's the use
Wow bam // Of leaving the EU

It's gone quiet.

May was supposed to go on a tour of the EU to get concessions. She hasn't.

Instead we are currently stuck in an internal never ending debate about Alternative Arrangements (which is being abbreved too A. A. by less convinced souls) and how Germany got all the money from Marshall Aid (it didn't) and how navy ships can suddenly sprout front opening hulls to become roll on roll off ferries to emulate the spirit of Dunkirk. One of our greatest ever military defeats, which merely had good PR.

The idea that there is going to be any shift in position between now and 14th Feb seems unlikely. It suits the EU and it suits the ERG to be blunt about it. It does not suit the UK national interest though.

Instead our livihoods and futures are slowly drip, drip, dripping away. Invisible to those loved up on the idea of Leaving. But like a newly wed, how long does that feeling last? 42% of British marriages end in divorce after all. When do people fall out of love with Brexit?

The revelation of the need for the WAIB is scary too. The WAIB is the Withdrawal Agreement Implementation Bill. You can read more about it here:
threadreaderapp.com/thread/1091734003265224708.html
Well I say you can read about it, but from the thread you can see that the WAIB hasn't been published yet. And for us to Brexit without a legal and constitutional nightmare parliament needs to pass both the WA And the WAIB. And if you thought it was difficult to get the WA through just wait until you clap eyes on the WAIB details.

With this in mind there are noises from the ERG about an A50 extension. Y'know the one we can't have unless the EU think it's it their interests too.

mlexmarketinsight.com/insights-center/editors-picks/brexit/europe/the-uk-rips-out-its-eu-law-drip,-only-to-hook-up-to-another
More on the WAIB.

Of course there is a more sinister explanation: May does indeed intend to no deal and or use civil contingency law to pass the WAIB in whatever form she sees fit without parliamentary scrutiny.

Tick, tick, tick.

A friend told me today not to worry about brexit as "we survived before and we'll survive again". I didn't say much. My history lessons were rather grimmer in reminding me, that the ones who didn't survive don't get to be so optimistic.

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FingerKFCLicking · 05/02/2019 11:33

If the police intimidate the law abiding public into removing opinions about one subject matter, what will happen during a time of civil unrest?

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/02/why-are-the-police-stopping-a-74-year-old-tweeting-about-transgenderism/

IsFuzzyBeagMise · 05/02/2019 11:33

Following Brew

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2019 11:36

DG It's illegal if foreigners are getting the profit and the Exchequer isn't getting the tax

All the same theme:
bombings, weapons sales etc are illegal unless carried out by the state

RosaPalma · 05/02/2019 11:37

A little border humour about smuggling from lovely Leitrim 😂:

TokyoSushi · 05/02/2019 11:41

So TM is riding into Brussels on her unicorn on Thursday, could be a quick trip when they say 'Theresa, love, the WA is closed and we will not re-open it'Let's see!

DGRossetti · 05/02/2019 11:41

If the police intimidate the law abiding public into removing opinions about one subject matter, what will happen during a time of civil unrest?

When ASBOs were introduced (to great cheers) it was noted that they were a back door way of making the lawful unlawful.

Interestingly enough (and it makes you wonder what the naysayers real agenda is Hmm) ASBOs are ECHR-compliant. Unlike no-votes for prisoners.

However, for the delectation of MNetters, I feel obliged to post the closing part of that article:

...

As for Mrs Nelson, you might be wondering how a 74-year-old woman was left feeling following a call from the police urging her to change her ways, keep quiet and stop upsetting people. You might wonder if she was shaken or upset. After all, dealing with the police can be a little unnerving.

That was, I confess, what I was thinking when I asked Mrs Nelson how she felt about her experiences on Monday. And so I was rather delighted with her response, which I reproduce here, with admiration and in the conviction that Margaret Nelson must have the last word in this story:

‘I’m not going to keep quiet just because some people might get a bit upset. I’m 74. I don’t give a fuck any more.’

TokyoSushi · 05/02/2019 11:44

Tom Newton Dunn

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I am told Theresa May told Cabinet that Brexit must and will still happen on March 29, and offered no respite to the A50 extenders round the table - who were unusually silent today. Maximum denial mode 🦄.

Fabulous.

DGRossetti · 05/02/2019 11:45

DG It's illegal if foreigners are getting the profit and the Exchequer isn't getting the tax

Or Phillip May. Or Victoria Atkins husband.

Victoria Atkins ? "Minister for Women" ? Yes, the same. She had to be forced to recuse herself (because it never occurred to her) as a Home Office minister after it was noted her husband is making a lot of money from keeping cannabis illegal.

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2019 11:46

Finger I love the woman's answer when the Speccy asked if she was upset by the police calling her:

"I’m not going to keep quiet just because some people might get a bit upset. I’m 74. I don’t give a fuck any more."

re your point:
Police who don't have the resources to investigate burglaries or other crime are already prioritising trying to silence perfectly legal statements of fact.
I fear they'll keep priortising this, to virtue signal, rather than actually do their bloody job

Just to support that marvellous woman:
A transwoman is biologically not a woman, never can be and never will be

I'm not sure when feelz became more important than facts for so many people, or why, 🤔
but it seems to have spread throughout society, to all issues.

7Days · 05/02/2019 11:47

Grin leitrim hard border. A low wall with gaps in it.

I remember a neighbour going up and buying 10 cheap colour televisions.

FingerKFCLicking · 05/02/2019 11:48

Kirkup published and the police privately apologise.

mobile.twitter.com/Flashmaggie/status/1092740430343651328

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2019 11:50

I'm nearly 63 and I don't give a fuck any more either
I refuse to pretend men can turn into women, or that Brexit will produce a unicorn, just because a lot of people feel that ought to be the truth

Destiel · 05/02/2019 11:52

Trans women are not women

Biology is not bigotry

Simply saying something is true doesn't make it so

Destiel · 05/02/2019 11:53

(Awaits mnhq deletion message)

DGRossetti · 05/02/2019 11:55

Maggie for PM !!!!!!!

BigChocFrenzy · 05/02/2019 11:55

_ Labour asks shadow cabinet to re-cost manifesto in preparation for snap election-

www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2019/02/labour-asks-shadow-cabinet-re-cost-manifesto-preparation-snap-election

Destiel · 05/02/2019 11:55

I think I'm going to self identify as a purple, sparkly unicorn 🦄

And if you point out - correctly - that I am not and never can be - then you are a bigot and are committing a hate crime.

(Eyerolls)

RedToothBrush · 05/02/2019 11:58

May saying there will be no extension, means that she possibly doesn't believe we'd be granted one anyway and doesn't want the humilation of asking / it being rejected (would add fuel to the brexiteer fire). And it means she is fully prepared to Civil Contigency Act.

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DGRossetti · 05/02/2019 12:01

Police who don't have the resources to investigate burglaries or other crime are already prioritising trying to silence perfectly legal statements of fact. I fear they'll keep priortising this, to virtue signal, rather than actually do their bloody job

I once worked for an ex copper .. over the years he'd recount odd stories which explained why he was an ex and which explained an awful lot of things about the way things were. He predicted that as usage of social media increased (this was 2008ish) and the government started getting involved and there started to be talk of needing new laws, the officers on his old force would start to think of reasons and ways why they'd have to sit at a desk and patrol MySpace or Bebo ...

He once said that the safest roads in the area on a Friday night were the country roads well away from the town centre. The officers used to have a sweepstake as to how long they could stretch a routine stop'n'check for - every minute being a minute they couldn't respond to a punch up in the town ...

RedToothBrush · 05/02/2019 12:02

David Allen Green @davidallengreen
A rational government, acting in the public interest, should now seek an Article 50 delay.

This is regardless of being pro-Brexit or anti-Brexit, or pro-Deal or No-Deal.

The necessity is the same in all cases.

But do we have a rational government acting in the public interest?

And if there is an extension of time, there is the question as to whether losing the long-declared 29 March date will have any psychological or political impact on the Brexit project.

Will it be the first real crack? Or will it be met with a shrug?

David got it wrong and said a50 wouldn't be triggered because no rational government would.

He's wrong here again, for the same assumption.

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DGRossetti · 05/02/2019 12:02

Presumably the CCA will trip a lot of Force Majeure clauses in insurance and other contracts ? I wonder how the insured smug planning to travel will be hit ?

TokyoSushi · 05/02/2019 12:03

Can you explain Civil Contingency Act and what it would mean? @RedToothBrush

TokyoSushi · 05/02/2019 12:04

Apologies if you already have and I've missed it!

chillinapot · 05/02/2019 12:09

Following from Tokyo's question, would anyone know if it could be triggered before March 29th, and would travel out of Britain be stopped as a result? And what are the chances of bank accounts being frozen/ seized at the same time?
Sorry, depressing questions and thank you for this so helpful thread.

Rhubarbisevil · 05/02/2019 12:23

There are a lot of school trips departing on 29/30 March - I don’t think the teachers are the travelling smug.