Westminstenders: Waiting for Sanity

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We could be waiting a long time, but that's what we have to wait for as that's what the EU is waiting for.

The EU has requested we expand on our plans for 'alternative arrangements' with regard to the backstop.

We need to do so before the next HoC vote on 14th Feb. The EU see no point in shifting their position before than. And the UK will struggle to provide the info the EU want before then. So there is now some doubt as to whether the vote will go ahead as planned.

About a third of the Cabinet now believe that Brexit will have to be delayed due to legislation not being ready for exit date. However we don't have power over this and we might still exit without it.

There is no Brexit related business next week in the HoC to prevent pesky amendments. The recess has been cancelled but MPs have been told its OK to go on their ski holidays so it's just a PR stunt.

Meanwhile No Deal is in full effect as businesses trigger their exit strategy in the absence of certainty. No Deal is reality for many even if we do have a last minute deal...

We are all about to get poorer. As that's what we voted for.

Sorry labour mps!

Parliament can't hold a general election in June if they want to leave the EU at the end of June, as (whether the WA is passed or we go for a no-deal exit) there will be masses of legislation to pass first, and an election means 6 weeks of parliament not sitting.

LonelyandTiredandLow I see what you mean and I do think the Tories will win the next election, all be it with a very narrow majority/hung parliament the same as now.

But I can't see how we can suspend parliament and have an election campaign whilst everything is falling to shit. And when you imagine how nasty that election period will be, add in food/meds shortages or the far right kicking off because we haven't left yet, it'll be carnage.

Obviously I'm not saying you shouldn't be able to run an election because of fear of riots, but it's not even due. If it was due then you'd have to.

And it's an almighty dereliction of duty to stop dealing with the mess you created to have an election.

Although perhaps TM thinks we will have passed the withdrawal bill by then and be in transition. In which case an election would be fine. But if she thinks that she's a way more optimistic person than I am.

I would assume Jo Johnson and Yvette Cooper plus others have sat down and talked. If not, why not? Where is today's David Owen (and the rest of the gang)? The climate is right.

I'd be on board. Yvette for pm obvs. Lammy for the home office. Wollaston for health. Jo Johnson for foreign office so he can show his brother how it's done properly.

This 'story' from Waterford Whispers News is doing the rounds again

waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/08/02/royal-family-relocating-to-ireland-over-brexit/?fbclid=IwAR2P0Knb5fkiLA_JhaeqmFUQJXhqToq-gTR7LAat3bBJz68ibo_WQu94h6g

{Can you imagine holding an election when there are troops deployed to protect supermarkets and distribution points and gatherings of discontented people are being controlled?}

You don't need to imagine it, look at Zimbabwe, several other African countries, I think to some degree maybe Ukraine, and other countries with borders to Russia, all of the tactics have been tried somewhere in the world previously.
I can imagine a little 'glow of satisfaction' in the minds of many former British colonies if it happens in the UK.

www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/the-collective-madness-behind-britains-latest-brexit-plan/2019/01/31/48d4d67e-2578-11e9-81fd-b7b05d5bed90_story.html?utm_term=.34bf6802502a

Good article.

A GE!!??

Fuckadoodledoo 🤬

lonely I'm going to assume 3 things about that person.

1. They are a man
2. They don't have kids to feed
3. They nor their family have no long term health conditions that necessitate long term meds/NHS use

Its more easy to be blase if the above ^ apply I think.

Former Scottish ECJ judge reviews his Unionist opinion because of Brexit.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/3fe17f4c-272e-11e9-9ff0-49a5245b8995

See also compare and contrast the example of the SNP setting up groups to consider what is required and information people need in order to be ok with the idea of Scottish independence

Leave means leave.....
When I leave the country, I organise someone to look after the pets, water the plants and I cancel the milk. I book time off work. I pack a bag, plan and purchase my means of transport. Get some suitable money and remember my passport. Sometimes I need extra jabs. It takes a bit of planning.
When the DC were little, it took a darn sight more planning.

I don't just announce I am leaving and jump off the nearest coastal cliff.

I agree with you Misti - but sometimes the Visitors are such fun and such easy picking

We only get the "honour" of their presence when they are rattled So their very participation on these threads is evidence that things aren't going well.

The deluded leavers are on other threads, where they can be profitably and enjoyably trolled.

Doing it here just dilutes a useful resource.

I don't just announce I am leaving and jump off the nearest coastal cliff.

Scaremongering talk there. Obviously a rainbow-shitting unicorn would magically sprout wings and fly you off to those furrin parts if you only belieeeeeeeeeved 🦄

'The Saj' squirming on Marr just now, obviously we'd be a less safe country under no deal, he knows it, he just can't say it.

Riley McRiledFace was very amusing, and might have been of minor use in getting the knowledgeable poster on here to write very. basic. explanations. of. the. Issues.

But it’s very clear that her main purpose is to derail and provoke, just producing clouds of pixels to confuse lurkers and hoping to trigger a reaction that can be reported. There was a brief visitor on one of the prepping threads who enjoyed temporary success with a turbo-charged version of this, and MNHQ got fooled by it for a while.

I know it’s impossible to enforce, but I for one will not be responding to her anymore apart from a reminder of “Derailer ”.

They’re massively rattled. We can even give them the benefit of the doubt and agree that they’re not rattled by No Deal martial law, but they’re very very rattled by something - if nothing else, by the continued existence of stubborn Non-BeLeaver heretics who just won’t BeLeave in the True Faith.

I was brought up a Baptist and one church we were briefly members of was a more american style fundamentalist church.

There were people, quite often with children, who would announce they were going to quit their job and spread the word. When asked what they would live on
they would say 'the lord will provide'.

In reality it meant the state and other people would provide. My parents left when it was discovered that there had been a massive fraud going on in the church accounts.

It reminds me a lot of beleavers who say it will all be fine, and if it's not we will survive, when really they are fully expecting the government/EU to ride to the rescue in the event they might have to go without something.

It's sobering that the expected announcement about Nissan is coming so soon after the EU/Japan free trade deal. It may not be "directly" or entirely because of Brexit - but is it unreasonable to think that entirely and directly related to that new agreement and the trading benefits linked to it?

Did anyone here get the UKIP leaflet sent out the day before last week’s votes that said “We would classify anyone prepared to vote for this agreement as a national traitor, or state enemy - and we're watching you." At least one MP has reported it to the police.

It came with a handy poster for your window as well, so that you can tell the world that you’re a rabid Kipper.

Definitely some very rattled people out there.

Although Rattled Kipper sounds a bit like one of those weird breakfast things, like kedgeree.

Missbel - totally coincidental Aye right

That leaflet is disgusting.

Former disgraced defence secretary and werritty sniffer Liam fox says that no deal is "survivable"...

Not exactly the support lit uplands he promised is it?

Sunlit even

I want better than 'survivable' for my children Liam Fox.

Dmitry Grozoubinski
@DmitryOpines

I find the "Brexitification" of all economic news in the UK as annoying as the next guy.

However, it's interesting to watch those who pre-2016 ascribed all bad news to Brussels now suddenly discover a depthless capacity for nuanced analysis.

• Factory closes -

Pre-2016: "Fucking EU!"

Post-2016: "Ah yes well, this was actually always inevitable given flagging demand in China, emerging consumer preferences for petrol vehicles, Mercury's position in the firmament and the Prophecies of Xalamak the Blind."

Seeing this a lot.