Westminstenders: Waiting for Sanity

[RedToothBrush]

We could be waiting a long time, but that's what we have to wait for as that's what the EU is waiting for.

The EU has requested we expand on our plans for 'alternative arrangements' with regard to the backstop.

We need to do so before the next HoC vote on 14th Feb. The EU see no point in shifting their position before than. And the UK will struggle to provide the info the EU want before then. So there is now some doubt as to whether the vote will go ahead as planned.

About a third of the Cabinet now believe that Brexit will have to be delayed due to legislation not being ready for exit date. However we don't have power over this and we might still exit without it.

There is no Brexit related business next week in the HoC to prevent pesky amendments. The recess has been cancelled but MPs have been told its OK to go on their ski holidays so it's just a PR stunt.

Meanwhile No Deal is in full effect as businesses trigger their exit strategy in the absence of certainty. No Deal is reality for many even if we do have a last minute deal...

We are all about to get poorer. As that's what we voted for.

OMG @Maryjoyce - you are such a laugh - the uk does not produce enough food to feed itself, plus without the Poles to pick what we do grow , we're completely screwed - we'll the poor people are - so you care about those ones? Because the tories and Nigel don't.......

Pesty I read somewhere about the Nissan X-trail plans, that the cancellation won't have a big impact on jobs for now because it is about future plans. I was wondering what year the X-trail investment was supposed to have kicked in, presumably any major job losses will not be until then. Delayed effects like that will, conveniently, be "not due to Brexit".

elements afaik, Barclays had the money in the UK and have switched ot ireland,
in order to keep their financial passporting
We probably lose some tax and maybe a few jobs are transferred, or created in Ireland instead of here

One bank doesn't matter too much, however big, but it is worrying added to the earlier news about Chase Manhattan, Citibank, Deutsche Bank etc
There is less money actually in (electronically) the City of London than before

Re Nissan:

Since they haven't really started doing much for X-trail production in the UK,
I expect it's just a matter of switching planned investment out of the UK to another country

Sounds like they'll announce their plans next week.

What is concerning is that Japanese business do tend to be follow my leader
and the Japanese government is very angry over broken promises from this and previous governments about the safety of their UK investments

So the question is whether Nissan is only the first of several.

Also, will there be new investment for new models after the current cars being produced in the UK finish the model cycle ?
If not, then plants will be closing down over the enxt few years.

The UK gained about half of the entire non-EU investment, mainly because it is an English-speaking gateway to the EU.
Post-Brexit we won't be
So that investment will be going to Ireland instead, also other EU countries on the continent, with shorter supply chains.

Mary ya know, teachers marry farmers. Plus I was an engineer before I became a teacher. Aye, I should be in Government.

Actually @Maryjoyce I do know quite a lot about farming......do you know anything?

Thanks BigChoc very informative!

Pesty I'm sure you'd be much more competent than the current bunch of arrogant idiots

mary

(Head tilt)

U ok hun?

I like this thread. I feel we are not the only couple who discuss CAP reforms over dinner.

Maryjoyce
Once we have deals with other country’s well have decent fruit and veg that tastes as it should do in happy to wait.
Which other countries ?
Who does the UK not trade with at present?

Thanks for the thread red. Sorry I can't keep up! A few pages ago people were discussing getting some cash out of the bank before brexit. I get paid on 29th march, the last working day of the month, and I guess a lot of other people will do too. Is it likely that a lot of people will have the same idea and there will be problems getting cash that day?

Maryjoyce I'm quite happy to go without out of season strawberries, but what fruit is produced in the UK in April, that we will all be able to eat?

I like this thread. I feel we are not the only couple who discuss CAP reforms over dinner.

I like this thread too. I've learned so much from the knowledgeable people here, so many walks of life, so many areas of expertise.

MrsL It's the leadtime for food that bothers me:
Even if somehow we found additional suitable land, prepared it, trained the workers, planted the crops ....
that can't be ready for April

and we certainly can't produce animals from a naughty twinkle to ready for eating by then.

I might be reassured if you told me that was actually started a couple of years ago and will be on tap from April,
but somehow I don't expect it

Producing food is not like switching on an App

BigChoc I don't think I could cope with it. I met my local MP twice, both times the conversation went via "do you know who I am?".
I was really good the first time and did not rise to it (despite having had dinner with Shirley Williams the night before). The second time I'm afraid the response was "Yes, you are the twat blocking my drive".

Bob rhubarb

I love a bit of rhubarb but it's pretty high maintenance as far as fruits go.

You must cook me
You must add loads of sugar to me
Now you may eat me.

Get over yourself, rhubarb.

Pesty 😂

and don't eat the rhubarb leaves !

Do i need to contact my Labour MP in a poorish area to check if he's asked/been offered money for WA support?

He's currently backing PV but previously wasn't so nagging does work! He nearly apologised in his brexit update for voting for triggering article 50.

It's possible that others on here frequent the FWR board. In which case I feel this might be the appropriate time to invoke dear Germaine Bunbury of blessed memory and..... move on

(If this makes no sense, what I'm saying is basically the same as TheElementsSong 👆👆)

I love raw rhubarb dipped in sugar...it's natures haribo sweet and sour.

Oh no, I can't stand rhubarb!

I thought eating raw rhubarb caused one's stomach to rupture resulting in a slow and agonising death?!

PMK

In the same way that eating less than 1hr before going swimming was considered dicing with death.