Westminstenders: Waiting for Sanity

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We could be waiting a long time, but that's what we have to wait for as that's what the EU is waiting for.

The EU has requested we expand on our plans for 'alternative arrangements' with regard to the backstop.

We need to do so before the next HoC vote on 14th Feb. The EU see no point in shifting their position before than. And the UK will struggle to provide the info the EU want before then. So there is now some doubt as to whether the vote will go ahead as planned.

About a third of the Cabinet now believe that Brexit will have to be delayed due to legislation not being ready for exit date. However we don't have power over this and we might still exit without it.

There is no Brexit related business next week in the HoC to prevent pesky amendments. The recess has been cancelled but MPs have been told its OK to go on their ski holidays so it's just a PR stunt.

Meanwhile No Deal is in full effect as businesses trigger their exit strategy in the absence of certainty. No Deal is reality for many even if we do have a last minute deal...

We are all about to get poorer. As that's what we voted for.

FFS Cedilla what is the FWR board?

It is Saturday night, wine has been consumed and I can't be bothered to search.

Pesty if you go there and continue to frequent the Brexit board your head will likely explode. Be warned!

FWR = feminism and women's rights.

And yes Cedilla it's definitely time to invoke Bunbury.

Scand I'm alive... I think. I'm off to Google now..

Scandalosa, my children have consumed plenty of raw rhubarb to no ill effect . Far too sour for me.

I leave the thread for a few hours to watch the rugby and have dinner with my dad (81 year old Remain supporter and Indy voter) who had been away since before Christmas, and our son, who had come down for the rugby from Aberdeen (Remain and Indy supporter but couldn't vote as he's only turned 18 in September) and I see that jargon spouting ignoramuses (ignoramae? ) have invaded the thread and been owned

When oh when will they learn that if they want to contribute and not be owned , they actually need to contribute researched thinking, backed up by real facts

But as has been pointed out, they do wonders to convince the Lurkers

Rhubarb?????

I wouldn't wedge a door open with it 🤢

ooh... I can make checkmarks too ✔ ✔ ✔ (missing point rest of thread)

The problem with farming in this country is in general it is incredibly inefficient (compared with other farming nations) the uk and parts of Europe there is a real cultural attachment to farming almost if a lifestyle choice - that is why so much food is imported.
To give you an example of what uk farms are competing with - my uncle (not in UK) growing up had a herd of 250 cows (that was considered large - my GF herd was 80 - again in his generation considered large)- my uncle now milks a thousand cows (not on his own) - not on the same land he has bought neighbouring farms. But this consolidation has happened across NZ. The downside of this is the huge environmental cost this is having - nz is not as clean and as green as it would like to promote (too much detail for a thread like this).
So UK farmers have had the benefit of subsidies that have allowed for this consolidation to not be necessary, plus the EU has actively put in measures that have protected the environment - and stupid unnecessary things likes Bees..... the sort of changes in the farming industry required so uk would produce enough food to feed its population would take generations, and would (I think) come at considerable environmental and food quality costs.
Look at the USA - complete industrialisation of the food chain..... yes nastys fed to livestock (growth hormones and antibiotics - completely ok/ let alone the ugly GMO) - but then every so often there is a major break out of E. coli killing people because of effluent contaminating things like spinach.......
Those preaching leave and a wonderful trade deal with the USA - have no idea about the food standards there - but then maybe they don't care

Every time we get such an influx, it's when they are getting worried.

So it's a good sign

Raw rhubarb is safe. Maryjoyce might say I'm scaremongering if I say don't eat the leaves AND...

Rhubarb damaged by severe cold should not be eaten, as it may be high in oxalic acid, which migrates from the leaves and can cause illness.

The more you know eh?

Rhubarb stems are fine
its the leaves that are not good for you
but you are likely to vomit before metabolising a toxic dose
bought DH the Kew book of poisonous plants for Christmas

Just bored of the same old rubbish daily no common sense and no facts since there are no facts as everything is only a guess been we haven’t left yet.

I'm bored of being lied to and no one taking problems seriously enough to acknowledge they are problems.

In terms of 'facts' my personal social circle is surprisingly varied in terms of which industries it touches. And it touches those who are the decision makers who those responsible for implementing those decisions. Thus I've a fair idea of what's not in the press. The press is barely touching the surface.

Anyway I came on to make the point about the WAIB (need to add to abbreviations).

The WA alone to pass is a tough call. Yes I do believe the EU would extend if that was passed but not the WAIB. But I think the WAIB is much harder to pass than the WA. Mainly cos its detailed and anything detailed is more likely to have just a small thing trip it up.

Whilst I can see the WA passing, I can not realistically see the WAIB passing. And I think this creates a dangerous situation tbh.

I had not realised that we effectively had a two stage process to get through parliament. And frankly I find it troubling.

I simply do not know how May will achieve it. There are too many conflict points to traverse.

Where does that leaves us?

DH read that thread and went 'shit, it looks like it's no deal or no brexit'.

I'm finding it hard to disagree.

DH says most plants are poisonous, and poisoning the goats was not his fault PMSL (but feeling sorry for the goats).

Oh and antibiotic use in farm animals has in the USA been linked to antibiotic resistance in humans via the consumption of meat. I linked to it last year on there scaremongering threads that red does. It was the first time its been directly linked via consumption not environmentally as previously speculated.

Phew man. Science. It exhausts me.

DH read that thread and went 'shit, it looks like it's no deal or no brexit'

Agree MrsL UK farming has relied on subsidy in one form or another since WW2, CAP is just the latest form.

But without CAP as you say, european farming would be very harsh.

Even so, UK farming in particular, for some reason, is way down the list of farm sustainability compared to EU countries..

oh and rhubarb, plum and apple pie is to die for !!!!

Pesty
A family member used to own a pet goat.
When they went out they used to leave her tied to a tree to mow the lawn.
One day they cam back from an outing to see her with her nose against her tree.
She had swallowed the whole of her 12 foot, half inch diameter rope.
They called the vet and followed the advice.
They pulled her back feet till the rope came back up and replaced it with a chain

Who hates rhubarb? And why? It's a vegetable btw....I learnt rhubarb facts

Ta1kin goats are marginally less suicidal than sheep.

Pesty
One of my clients raises hill farm sheep in Wales.
Holy moley fanoley they are suicidal bergers
and lambs are just sheep without experience

I@jasjas1973 I have been yelling at news reports for years about antibiotic resistance- saying they need to look at the food chain. Finally this week it was discussed as something that needs to be addressed in the discussion of antibiotic resistance. Antibiotic's are not required if you reduce the animal density.......

Further down the thread there was discussion of the rise of Scarlett fever - it is caused by strep. But most - if not all Dr's in this country will not give you antibiotics for a sore throat and fever - and a fast strep test is not available- probably based on cost - but the 4 other countries that I lived in, if you had the symptoms of strep, a fast strep test would be done, and antibiotics given if it was positive.

My DH is rather into science communication (quite a few of you already know who he is )
he reads over my shoulder all the time
he does not like it when these threads make me angry
but the lack of science knowledge from certain posters makes him angry
its a balance

Its always seemed very obvious to me - the link between antibiotic resistance and giving animals antibiotics in their food - which we as consumers then consume.

It's one of the reasons I won't eat kidneys or livers.

Don't eat the filters, people!

Wow! What did I miss? Mind you I was listening to someone telling me about the wonderful articles in the Wetherspoons magazine. (No kidding.)