I survived 1980's recession as a kid, I'm sure I'll survive this

[LadyandGent]

In fairness, my mother couldn't cope with not having potatoes, so heard rice was cheap, which we had religiously.
2 Yellow pack burgers, frozen peas, rice and gravy!!!!

I was very skinny for a few years lol.

This thread actually makes me angry. We don't have to accept ANY CRAP. We can revoke.
Fucking grow a pair and pressure your MP to grow a pair too and stop this collective lunacy.
I'm visiting another EU country for work right now and about to fly back home. Gosh was it nice to get away from this collective madness for a bit!
The UK has lost it- all because a bunch of toffs wanting to avoid the new EU anti tax avoidance rules. (Guess when that comes into force? APRIL)
Don't be suckers for punishment, don't take it! It is SHIT it will always be SHIT and other Europeans think it's pathetic.
Rant over.

I was a young adult in the 80s. This is stupid self inflicted bollocks that is likely to be worse. I was a child in the 70s. One of my parents served in the war. Utter bullshit to say that No Deal is going to be fine.

Once he can afford his leccy, a few pot noodles, pints down the local watching the footy, that's all he cares about

That's probably one of the most offensive things I've read in this whole debate. Actually poor people care about having a quality of life and living in a decent society. They aren't some kind of idiotic lower form of life just thinking about pot noodles and a few pints. They just happen to have these money , other than that, shock horror, they're just like you. Dickhead.

Once he can afford his leccy, a few pot noodles, pints down the local watching the footy, that's all he cares about

Fucking hell. Are you serious?

I also remember being poor in the 80s.
It wasn't the worst, although my sense of worth can be a bit glitchy.
BUT: My experiance of not having a Barbie doll like like the other girls is not to be compared with my Mums experiance of going to bed hungry every night wracked with worry.
AND: It might not be a decade of gradual decline like the 80s (or the post 2008 period). Its just as likely to be a very sudden sharp drop in living standards like the end of the Soviet Union.

I'm really starting to think that the worst thing about this clusterfuck so far is that it seems to have unleashed some weird masochistic self-flagellatory obsession with survival. It's as if half the country is in the grip of a collective BlitzSpirit wet dream. It's fucking insane.

We've gone from 'we hold all the cards' to 'we'll probably survive' in less than 2 years. And it's completely and utterly unnecessary. We could call it all off tomorrow.

I don't understand what has happened to my country.

I survived the 80s recession but those times are going to look like halcyon days compared to post Brexit. I don’t remember food and medicine shortages from the 80s yes the recession was hard but we wasn’t seriously considering rationing.

So you think it’ll be hard, can you explain what it’s for?

What are the benefits then, because presumably people aren’t expecting to struggle for no pay-offs or positives?

I was a teenager in the 80s. My dad lost his job twice during the recession. I clearly remember my mum telling me that she didn't know how she was going to put food on the table.

We were incredibly lucky that we didn't lose our home. My uncle and aunt did; they had four kids and had to cram in with my gps - eight of them in a three bed terrace.

But yeah, we survived

In the 1980s, the worst quarter was a 2% fall in GDP. For no deal Brexit, the predicted fall is about 8%. The actual recession in the 80s only lasted for 5 quarters- any recession caused by Brexit will last much longer- 1/3 of companies leaving the UK and not coming back, for example?

Also, the 80s recession didn't come with a starting point of food (and medicine) struggling to get into the country due to customs issues, leading to sudden, very widespread shortages.

The pound crashing against the Euro will also put prices up even more.

This is going to be many times worse than what we have been used to as a country- and maybe you will be alright, but yes, some people won't survive (e.g. those reliant on certain medications) and survival- when it comes down to it, is a pretty low bar for a developed country in the 21st century.

Well hopefully after a few year we will reap the benefits. In theory In the meantime pass the

If you survived the 80s as anything other than a child/teenager, you know fuck all about dealing with financial difficulties.

Zombies don’t like noodles, fact. They like brains. So most Leavers will be completely safe.

And who voted to leave? Tory voters!

Snd a very significant number of Labour voters, unlessgreat swathes of the north have suddenly become Tory

I remember the 1980's. Going to bed cold and hungry.
Hand me downs, candlelight, hearing my parents crying at night.

I am disabled, my child is disabled.
I have just tried to return to work. Between mine and my child's health needs it has proved impossible. I am ill and about to claim UC.
I am really frightened.

I'll just pop down to a pub and drink beer at watch football shall I?

(I have never done this in my life. I have never eaten a pot noodle)
I voted to remain. My parents and exH both voted Leave.
I am astonished and horrified by pretty well ALL the politicians' atm.

Going back further (Blitz spirit and all that) I’m reading a relative’s wartime diaries. Everyone with colds, mouth ulcers, piles - constant search for fruit of any kind, they grew what they could in the back garden. At VE day she says “Thankful it’s over but otherwise can’t feel at all excited - too many broken homes. Feel very weepy and not a bit like celebrating.” She had the responsibility of supporting the family - not at all gungho, just a long long tiring struggle.

It'll be a real tonic for you I'm sure, op. Nostalgia for the bad old days, cutting your cloth, blithe optimism, blitz spirit...

Doesn't it just bring a tear to your eye?

OP I’m one of the ‘poor fuckers’ on UC only I’m not really ‘on’ it because they paid me once and then stopped my money so I have had no income whatsoever for 3 months so I will ‘bleat’ as much as I fucking want.
Must go, off to nick a few pot noodles

It's all such a mess and so unnecessary. Every leave voter that I know has said that they know things will be hard for a while but it's a price they are prepared to pay!!!!!!!! Why????? I can't think that they have any idea of the consequences.

DD works for an American company in London and has European clients. She phoned me in tears this week as her job is moving to Europe. My other DD works for the NHS and is seriously considering emigrating.

I am angry at the effect it is having just on my family already. We all voted remain because of the very things we now see happening in our country.

ILs voted leave and seem to be blissfully unaware of the fallout. When I told them about DD I was told that "every cloud has a silver lining". WTF ????

But this insanity is self inflicted.

Is our dd able to move with the job twentyione?

In the 80s, we couldn't get staff in London. Not for the catering, security, cleaning jobs required in the City. FIL applied for 50 jobs after being made redundant in the early 80s. But he only was prepared to consider being an electrical engineer at senior manager level. He cd have gone to uni, gone i to retail banking, book keepi g or got a job in a shop or set up small business. Wasn't prepared to think outside the box but then he had more pension than he cd spend.

Not everyone survived austerity. Brexit will hit everyone, but while for most of us it will be being unable to buy certain things from the supermarket, it will be people with long term illnesses and disabilities that will suffer. Possibly through medicine not being available, but more likely through UC / medical assessments not functioning well enough and people dying of cold / malnutrition / hunger / suicide.
But I'll survive, so that's ok then.

I survived being trapped in a building that was being bombed in the 80s. So did the man I watched being blasted across the mall.

I wouldn't recommend it though as I have discovered that I prefer not being bombed.