Can I ask a question about a "hard border"

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Forgive me if this has been done before or if it's a stupid question.

If there is no deal we are told there will be a hard border.

Leo Varadkar has said they will not be policing a hard border.
The UK doesn't want a hard border.

So who exactly is going to come along and build checkpoints?

So what is the answer? Cancel Brexit so that the GFA is not affected?

So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI?

And I take it then that the ROI can also never leave the EU because of the GFA ?

The answer is to accept the Withdrawal Agreement.

Weetabix
{So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject}
I am a British person and my wishes are being ignored.The significant difference is that what I voted for was achievable but leavers voted for something that is f%cking stupid.

It's actually an easy fix. Put the grown up pants on and accept WA. And have a less painful transition period so we can try and address the problems that got us in this mess in the first place.

So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI?

Britain created the Irish border ignoring the will of the Irish people. Now Britain is facing the consequences. The chickens are finally coming home to roost.

WA is the solution. Imperfect for all sorts of reasons but it is the solution.

Your wishes were not ignored. You were in the minority. This happens in all elections (in fact in GE it's usually the minority who wins)

In the referendum to join the EEC the majority voted to join. Should we now argue that the minority were ignored and because of that we shouldn't have joined? So we don't need to Brexit then because according to your thinking we should never have joined and so let's abide by the wishes of the minority in the vote to join the EEC.

What utter cobblers.

So @Weetabixandshreddies , are you prepared to accept WA for this or not?

So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI?

The 'will of the people', whatever it is, must necessarily be ignored if it's impossible to achieve legally and without causing harm to people.

So what is the answer? Cancel Brexit so that the GFA is not affected.
So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI.
And I take it then that the ROI can also never leave the EU because of the GFA

Yes. Or stay in the customs union.
Why should the will of Gibraltar (who has been horribly badly treated in all of this) and Scotland be ignored anyway? They overwhelmingly voted to remain.

Northern Ireland also voted to remain, though somewhat less overwhelmingly.

And Jersey/Guernsey/Isle of Man are affected and weren't given a vote.

No, wrong again Weetabix, 17m out of 46m (36%) voted for Brexit, that is not a majority and on such an important & irreversible issue, we need to have an absolute majority.

Tell us all again that Brexit is worth it when your son/daughter is murdered by the IRA or UVF.

Or are you just happy to let others kids die in your name?

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No, wrong again Weetabix, 17m out of 46m (36%) voted for Brexit, that is not a majority and on such an important & irreversible issue, we need to have an absolute majority.

Who are the 46m?

The majority of people who voted voted to leave.

If people were eligible to vote but didn't you cannot simply assume to know how they voted. If they wanted their opinion to count then they should have voted.

So @Weetabixandshreddies , are you prepared to accept WA for this or not?

It's not up to me to accept anything. That is down to the UK parliament.

For me, the outrage in England about the EU 'imposing the backstop' typifies how low the UK has sunk

Can you please stop referring to "England" and "the UK". This is the UK government.

Most people don't care (perhaps they should) and most of the stupid comments you see on online articles are either bots or from people for whom Brexit has become a cult - it doesn't matter how damaging it is, it has to happen. Ignore them. It has nothing to do with what country they come from (remember that there are a great many non-English people in England, some of whom voted for what seemed to them sensible reasons, eg immigrants from Commonwealth countries who wanted a more level playing field for immigration).

I live in England. But I did not vote Tory and I did not vote to leave the EU. Like millions of others, I am not responsible for this fustercluck and am not being lumped in with those who are.

So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI? Oh, dear. Does it hurt? Because it's literally what the British have done to every single one of their 'colonies' for hundreds of years. It's Karma, it's comeuppance, call it what you like. This is Britain finally being told they're no better than anyone else and they can't have special treatment and sit on their high horses.
This has got a long way to go. The EU will stand in solidarity with Ireland and will not let the UK get away with this. Thank god.

Britain created the Irish border ignoring the will of the Irish people. Now Britain is facing the consequences

Not sure the first part of this is quite correct, actually.

But @Weetabixandshreddies , you could tell your MP and they could take it into account. It's called parliamentary sovereignty or even taking back control.
Are you going to tell them to support WA in order to leave without messing up GFA?

Weetabix - You stated a majority voted to leave, that is patently untrue.
As said before, the majority achieved in 2016 would not have been enough to change the rules at your local Sports club.

Are you prepared for you or a loved one to die in any resumption of the "Troubles" ?

If not, then we should be proceeding under extreme caution and yes, if a satisfactory deal cannot be found that protects NI and keeps our economy strong, then we should ignore the "Will of the People" who clearly do not know anything about International Trade, Customs or the GFA.

Weetabix - You stated a majority voted to leave, that is patently untrue.

Where did I say that?

But @Weetabixandshreddies , you could tell your MP and they could take it into account

My MP is not supporting it at present. What they will eventually to do is another question entirely.

So the will of the British people must always be ignored on this subject because of NI/ROI?

@jasjas1973

Sorry. Still waiting for you to show where I said the majority voted to leave?

So @Weetabixandshreddies , write to them. If you feel that GFA is worth protecting and agree that WA, flawed as it is, is the only way to Leave then tell them.

The 'hard border' is simply a manipulative bluff. A border in the Irish sea will be a hard border. If we leave with no deal there will be (supposedly) a hard border.
Solutions exist for this but the EU and ROI, especially are being obstructive for their own ends. Varadkar is simply shit scared about the effects of Brexit on the Irish economy and also feels he can strut around and humiliate the UK. The EU are using the border as leverage to force the UK to relinquish its sovereignty (which is, in effect, what May's deal will do), leaving it at the mercy of the EU.
That May has simply accepted the Irish Border as an insoluble problem has disadvantaged us terribly.
Why are we even bothering about it? The few scummy petty criminals who think they are the IRA are nut cases. For the fifth largest economy in the world to design their trade policy around this riff raff is crazy.
We should leave with no deal. I fervently hope we do. Disruption for a short time, but in the medium and long term we will be better off.

What solution. Tell me one that avoids any physical infrastructure and thus maintains our GFA obligations.