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Westminstenders: The English Gentleman and Martial Law

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RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 09:52

Ahead of Tuesday's vote, let's have a quick look at the week's developments.

The Cooper-Boles Amendment seems to be in trouble. The amendment is designed to force government to extend A50 if the WA fails to pass parliament in order to prevent No Deal.

It's in trouble in several ways.

After lots of loud noises from Labour about supporting it, they have made no formal move to. Thus there is no requirement for Labour MPs to vote for it. The noise was just for Remain ears whilst trying to keep leavers on board.

The amendment is struggling for numbers; many of the former Labour MPs are extremely unreliable at votes and haven't turned up even for important ones of late. In addition to this, Tory rebels are backing away from it out of fear from a backlash from their grassroots who believe they are trying to stop Brexit. There was talk of up to 20 ministers resigning to back it, including Amber Rudd, yet as Sunday has dawned there's no sign yet and its usually the day for such political statements. Though there is time yet.

And finally there is the prospect of Murrison II. Now also backed by 1922 heavyweights Graham Brady and Damien Green this seeks to remove the backstop from the WA on our side.

Except the EU has said that this would not be the WA if it does not contain the backstop. And they would not ratify it.

Yet rumours are May is close to a majority to get the WA through with Murrison II.

There has been much speculation over what would happen to the Irish border in a no deal with Farage sticking his oar in saying "nothing". Whilst Barnier states that there would, but the Irish government are avoiding the subject. We have now had the comment that it would mean the return of Irish soldiers to the border...

We could have a looming situation where parliament passes Murrison II AND Cooper-Boles. But Cooper-Boles deemed invalid cos the WA has been passed by Parliament but in effect isn't worth the paper (or goat skin) it's written on. Thus no deal could still happen by 'accident'.

There's been talk of Murrison II not being picked by Bercow, and how this would provoke a walkout by government. It seems that since he's done it once it would be difficult to ignore.

And whilst all this is going on we now have the mainstream newspapers saying that there are plans for martial law, 'forward purchasing' of food, fuel and ammunition. Talk of travel bans and property seizure. And just general plans for the collapse of free society and the supply of basic essentials for continuous of life. And many ERG MPs are tweeting things which seem to be rather fond and happy with the idea.

Do not forget: What happens when May is gone? Who replaces her, and what are their views on liberal society and freedom. Cos that all looks rather 'troubling' in an authoritarian state kind of way. What power would they wield?

Just what are we sleep walking into?

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BigChocFrenzy · 27/01/2019 17:02

MrsM Corbyn has always given the impression that he fits being official opposition leader on with several other more interesting things,
so it's about #20 on his list
unless there's a crowd to sing his name

He grew up quite privileged, but ended up with one A level grade E and then dropped out of a trade union college.
He's not very bright and he doesn't concentrate or work hard.

DGRossetti · 27/01/2019 17:02

Missbel talking about previous experience. Denis Healy was the Beach Master at Anzio when he was in his 20s.

I have a memory of Tony Benn and Edward Heath appearing on a TV programme (may have been QT, but I can't be sure) around the time of the first Gulf war. They were both advocating anything but war. A dreadful harridan (!) in the audience stood up and harangued them as "cowards and traitors" for being afraid to send other peoples sons to their deaths. (I may have interpreted that last ....).

I recall the chairman of the debate having to step in and point out to the dreadful woman that both Benn and Heath had served with distinction in WW2, and that they were bound by their own humility from responding to her accusation.

I wonder how her Brexit is going ?

PestymcPestFace · 27/01/2019 17:09

LEAVE.EU GROUP LIMITED
Company number 09763501
Mr Arron Fraser Andrew Banks
Ownership of voting rights - 75% or more
Right to appoint and remove directors

What a fecking surprise.

Just how much money has this guy got riding on this?

prettybird · 27/01/2019 17:17

Re the army not having enough bods for martial law: a friend who used to be in officer in the TA posted up that Government notice about the Call-out in support of Government Contingency Planning for a No Deal EU Exit including the 1,000 reservists and another friend, who also used to be an officer in the TA, replied, saying

for a year? they (govt) told me in a meeting on Monday that they plan to deal with the shortage in the labour market by releasing prisoners on day release and having them supervised by ex Army NCOs - "only up to the rank of sergeant" they reassured me. Quite how that was supposed to reassure me I don't know.

ShockShock

(The world is a small place: these are two friends from totally different parts of my life and live in different parts of the country, but it turns out that they knew each other - from their time in the TA)

Apileofballyhoo · 27/01/2019 17:27

releasing prisoners on day release

This is getting more and more insane.

MsLucyLastic · 27/01/2019 17:30

LonelyandTiredandLow, that's very true and really depressing!

Prisoners on day release working for the army? Jesus wept.....it isn't like many of them will be inside for violent crime, is it?

No wonder TM wants to exempt the "military" from having to adhere to the HRA!

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 17:36

I don't think I was being gloaty

DG I did specifically say I wasn’t referring to your post when I mentioned gloating Smile

UnnecessaryFennel · 27/01/2019 17:42

PMK.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 27/01/2019 17:46

Above all, MPs should have a sense of duty

These are the seventh principles of public life, taken from the government’s Minsterial Code.

How many ministers are abiding by all, or even, any of these?

The Seven Principles of Public Life

Selflessness
Holders of public office should act solely in terms of the public interest.

Integrity
Holders of public office must avoid placing themselves under any
obligation to people or organisations that might try inappropriately to influence their work. They should not act or take decisions in order to gain financial or other material benefits for themselves, their family, or their friends. They must declare and resolve any interests and relationships.

Objectivity
Holders of public office must act and take decisions impartially, fairly and on merit, using the best evidence and without discrimination or bias.

Accountability
Holders of public office are accountable for their decisions and actions and must submit themselves to whatever scrutiny necessary to ensure this.

Openness
Holders of public office should act and take decisions in an open and transparent manner. Information should not be withheld from the public unless there are clear and lawful reasons for doing so.

Honesty
Holders of public office should be truthful.

Leadership
Holders of public office should exhibit these principles in their own behaviour. They should actively promote and robustly support the principles and be willing to challenge poor behaviour wherever it occurs.

MissMalice · 27/01/2019 17:48

Goodness me. 11 pages on a Sunday. I lost track of the last thread after it went a bit weird. Today’s looked to be getting back on track but now we’re releasing prisoners. Jolly good.

I’ve built a couple of weeks supplies up. Now don’t feel like that’s anywhere near enough, not least because I feel like if no deal isn’t averted soon then people really will start panic buying.

GD12 · 27/01/2019 17:53

Would it make much difference if Corbyn didn't whip for Cooper? Most MPs have made their minds up have they not?

Bluelonerose · 27/01/2019 17:55

Releasing prisoners on day release to help the army ShockShock

This can't get any worse waits for next piece of horrific news

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 17:57

In other news, the Brexit Cupboard is in Trending.

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2019 18:01

In other news, the Brexit Cupboard is in Trending.

Oh, is that the cause of the sudden influx of special, novel, oh-so-clever insights?

2beesornot2beesthatisthehoney · 27/01/2019 18:07

Can someone please explain to me the difference between the “chucking out the backstop amendment” this time around to be voted in on Tuesday and the one put forward last time by a Tory backbencher which lost by about 600 votes. Except this time it appears to be supported by more people?

borntobequiet · 27/01/2019 18:08

Yes Glitterball

TheElementsSong · 27/01/2019 18:11

born I see you're now addicted to the glitterball emoji Grin

RosinaAlmaviva · 27/01/2019 18:13

Re: the prisoners, there's at least one precedent I can think of, which is that during the American Civil War, the Confederacy, running short of men, gave prisoners a pardon if they would join the army.

GD12 · 27/01/2019 18:15

The last Murrison ammendment wasn't selected by Bercow, was it?

RedToothBrush · 27/01/2019 18:15

The Brexit Cupboard thread is 'enlightening'.

There seems to be lots of people who believe in Supermarket Fairies who restock shelves.

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GD12 · 27/01/2019 18:15

This one shouldn't even be selected.

Apileofballyhoo · 27/01/2019 18:16

Simon says EU won't ratify a deal without the backstop.

www.rte.ie/amp/1025822/

Apileofballyhoo · 27/01/2019 18:17

Re: the prisoners, there's at least one precedent I can think of, which is that during the American Civil War, the Confederacy, running short of men, gave prisoners a pardon if they would join the army.

That went well for them.

BigChocFrenzy · 27/01/2019 18:18

babooshka There's our problem:
Almost all the Hoc fail all 7 of those "Principles of Public Life"