To be completely cheesed off. More F-ing brexit chaos

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The European Medical Agency left their London offices today to relocate to Amsterdam.
900 jobs. Lost our leading role in evaluating medicines.

No clear pathway forward.

What they should of written on that bus

Step forward into chaos, we have no idea and we're just telling you what you want to hear: Vote Leave.

Don't be daft, he will not have a job out of the EU !

Nigel Farage has earned between £524,000 and £700,000 through TV and radio work in the last four years.

I think Farage will be quite hunky dory out of the EU.

Farage does not actually need to work at all as he has so much money stashed away he could live out his life in a luxury house somewhere as he is now. He is just being an agitator for 'entertainment'.
Similarly many of the ERG for example, they don't need the money at all, but 'betting' on currency exchanges is their version of getting a lotto scratchcard on a Saturday morning for most people.
They get a 'hard on' by looking at a computer screen with numbers on it.

Nigel Farage has earned between £524,000 and £700,000 through TV and radio work in the last four years.

And he will also get a very juicy EU pension when he stops impersonating serving as an MEP.

Completely confused by the lack of last minute progress or even a bit of panic by politicians completely ignoring the deadline.

Having studied the EUs history and its institutions, the point of the EU (or ECSC) was to ensure truly “never again” after WWII, a League of Nations bound together in peace. The EU can be and will be fair to the UK, but cannot afford to be lenient and generous, because factions within Italy, Spain, France, East Germany and Poland are waiting at the gates to tear Europe apart and to wage war not only on each other but on the minority polulations within them. Without the enforced peace, we will have major war againprobably inevitable
I am also utterly baffled by the (50% non english) colleagues at my sisters London school, who, despite being on low pay for physically strenuous jobs, school funding cut in the last year, and being of many different ethnicities, still are all Rule Britannia about Brexit, thinking that somehow things won’t get worse but everything will be great once we get rid of the Bloody EU. Endless facepalming 🤦🏻‍♀️

Rhetorical question: why do people think their Brexit thread is so important that it's downright irresponsible of Mumsnet to file it in the actual Brexit board? Perhaps our host should put a sticky post atop the almighty AIBU directing traffic this way.

Nasim Taleb was so perspicacious with his concept of IYIs and they are here aplenty!

Curious what that was, I quickly arrived at Nassim Taleb’s freebie chapter. I'm no intellectual (hint: if you have to look up ’perspicacious’ to confirm that it means what you think it means, you definitely aren’t one), but am I an idiot? (That's another rhetorical question. Or not.) As someone who voted to leave, I will readily admit to not fully appreciating how godawful complicated it was going to be; Richard North and others deeply immersed in the detail have since provided an education. That doesn’t mean I wouldn’t vote leave again, just that I wish the time since the vote hadn’t been so misspent.

Brexit will hurt the middle and upper middle. The top will be unscathed and the very bottom may actually benefit. A net loss to the country does not mean everyone will be poorer.

This is pretty much what I think too - especially that last bit. "Be careful what you wish for" is, I expect, the first thing out of the mouth of a genuine IYI.

I'm getting the overall take-home message that:

(a) it's cool for the EMA to bugger off because something about elites and taxes;
(b) the EMA buggering off, and other aspects of Leaving the EU, will be bad for the elites but marvellous for the poor;
(c) magic... Britain will be great again, just like it was in 1973.

That about it?

"the very bottom may actually benefit."

Fucking hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
If you believe this shit you are an idiot.

Brexit will hurt the middle and upper middle. The top will be unscathed and the very bottom may actually benefit.

I genuinely don’t understand how anyone can reach the conclusion that the poor will benefit from Brexit.

Please can someone explain their rationale for this.

Just taking a simple example - if car factories are forced to leave the UK there will be a shortage of jobs; those people who are ‘middle class’ are likely to have more skills and work experience than the poor so are more likely to get the few jobs that are available than unskilled ‘poor’ people.

How is that going to help the ‘poor’?

Mark Brexiteers have been trying for decades to come up with a plan to leave. Any plan. You may want to google Flexit to see how that went?
So to suggest that the 2 years the govt have had trying to solve the impossible isn't the fault of the swivel eyed loons who knew they couldn't make it work (but perhaps someone else could?) is totally misguided.

LadyKalita- as you well know my comment was in response to the other parallel thread to this one.Where you and other posters seek justification of a Leave stance because it is a way back to the good old days.

There are genuine posters who support the view that the good old days were better because people talked to each other and we were less reliant on mobiles and similar devices. There are significant numbers of voters who feel Brexit represents a way back the good old days when we were (allegedly) ok.

If people wanted to get the old days back, it would have been better and more logical to say the referendum should have addressed other matters including excessive mobile use.

There are other ways back to the past apart from ditching leading membership of a very successful trading bloc which gives access to a market on our doorstep worth $18.8 trillion of 500 million consumers.

Brexit will hurt the middle and upper middle. The top will be unscathed and the very bottom may actually benefit.
So you think people who are the working poor are going to be given more money somehow? Foodbanks who rely on people having a little extra in their budget to stock them won't suffer under the crashing sterling or lack of imports? Which rich/skilled people will stick around in a country where they can't find work and they have the possibility of not being able to do a full food shop? So who is paying the taxes?
Hint - Middle and upper middle won't have that cash for foodbanks and most of the rich have made contingency plans to leave the country or get dual nationality if things get really rough. The brain drain is a serious consequence for unskilled labourers post Brexit.

"The bottom may actually benefit"

No they won't.

They were Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Britain will be great again, just like it was in 1973

Ah yes, back to the golden era when we were world leaders and our major industries like shipbuilding, steel, coal and car manufacturing had other nations green with envy. Things were so bloody good the government of the day actually imposed power cuts and the 3-day-week just to try and give the country a reality check. The working classes were so affluent that, had action not been taken, they were very close to causing a world shortage of truffles and caviar due to their excessive consumption of luxury comestibles.

Make Britain Great Again. Give us back our sovereignty. Return us to the era of the Profumo affair and the Suez Crisis when our brilliant politicians could really get things done without the EU holding them back.

@MarkCarnage please explain how those at the bottom may be better off.

If leavers had been able to get behind a plan we wouldn't be here.

Was there ever a plan they could get behind? Probably not. They had at least 15 years to work out the details, and they've had another nearly 3 years since the ref.

To give him credit Richard North did at least put some work into it, but it appears that all the other brexiters found him impossible to work with. And while it's clear that he is knowledgeable, especially on the impacts for agriculture, his insistance that he is right and all others are wrong on all technical points about trade and Brexit needs to be put in context. In his other area of interest, climate change, it would be fair to say that his opinions are at odds with the vast majority of qualified specialists.

I feel so depressed. Acid and nastiness are dripping through the nation. People have stopped being kind to each other.

Europe has split apart
The United Kingdom is in danger of fracturing
Irish peace is at risk.
My friends are split
My family is split.

I voted remain (plus my husband and children too) but my wider family voted leave (leave area of the country). Christmas gloating of 'we won' pissed my children off and I am stuck in the middle. I'm struggling to see a resolution.

*Ah yes back to the golden era..
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of Bombs going off (mainly in N Ireland but in Ireland & the UK too) and shootings constantly on the news and acceptance that it was normal.

Oh yes and Smoking everywhere, spreading lung disease like it was the people's right.

Like I said, leavers won nothing.

please explain how those at the bottom may be better off.

Here? I don’t think I’ll bother, thanks.

Acid and nastiness are dripping through the nation

There are certainly big pools of it here.

Please bother @MarkCarnage . Surely you are not afraid of being challenged on your opinion?

No one has won. We are all losers from this mess.

@MarkCarnage I asked politely, I'm not an acid dripper. But safe to say I can now disregard you comments as rubbish if you don't have anything to back them up.

Guess @MarkCarnage is another one who tries to chuck in a crowd pleasing statement but flounces off at any challenge because people is being old meaniez for challenging it.
Standard leave tactic. Drive-by lazy bollocks.

"Here? I don’t think I’ll bother, thanks."

Well, that was good wasn't it.

You took the time to make the point but won't explain it.

Because you can't.

Keep repeating that you won.

Leavers not used to getting asked questions by a bunch of impertinent women ;)