To be completely cheesed off. More F-ing brexit chaos

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The European Medical Agency left their London offices today to relocate to Amsterdam.
900 jobs. Lost our leading role in evaluating medicines.

No clear pathway forward.

What they should of written on that bus

Step forward into chaos, we have no idea and we're just telling you what you want to hear: Vote Leave.

I'll take WA as the least worst version of Leave. These utter idiots who think the backstop isn't necessary are too ridiculous to even consider.

WA here though ghastly is less so than other options. As my 96 yo neighbour told me this afternoon.
She also thinks: Boris - ghastly
Farage - ghastly and common
May - too prim for her own good (not sure about that)
Cameron - shame he didn’t take up professional tennis (?)

Clavinova
EU-employees are exempted from national income tax

Thanks for info, assumed they'd pay national tax, like everyone else, not an EU separate tax.

If you don’t believe Brexit was a massive protest vote from those who have not shared the fruits of the last 20-30 years productivity growth, what was it?

It was a lot more complex than that.

Are you saying that Tory voters, a large majority of whom voted leave, have "not shared the fruits of the last 20-30 years productivity growth"? Or that the current generation of younger pensioners, who have retired more comfortably than any previous generation, have not done so?

EU-employees are exempted from national income tax.

Jaw drops...AB.SO.LU.TE BOLLOCKS
(I have almost 20 years worth of payslips to prove it).
Where did you get such utter BS 'info???

That sadly illustrates the level of misinformation among the public. Wow. We are in trouble.

Yes, I wondered about this separate tax or tax free stuff for E.U. citizens. Perhaps I should be claiming back tax for my dead mother who paid tax here all her working life.

Misti,

Of course it is ‘more complicated than that’ and whole papers have been written on it.

However, to try and overanalyse it and fragment it obscures the important point. What has globalisation (and the EU, which is just a smaller version) delivered to the bottom quintile (or even quartile)? Certainly in London it is obvious that very few service jobs are done by British nationals as EU citizens from countries with low incomes are prepared to work for a lot less. Great for those buying their morning cappuccinos, less good for aspiring baristas.

This is playing out globally and is not just the EU. I do struggle with the fact that 6 billionaires are in total worth the poorest half of the World. It will lead to protest votes (and I firmly believe that is what Brexit was) and, ultimately, maybe worse.

There are no easy solutions but reframing the problem in terms of lazy poor or how much philanthropy helps them is not an answer.

And, as for the ‘younger’ pensioners, weren’t those the ones who originally voted for the ECSC? What changed their minds?

But @larrygrylls No Deal will cause actual harm to actual everybody. The shit pile will get higher with more people struggling and if you are at the bottom of it, life will get it even worse. Your protest vote will mean nothing other than giving people a reason to, at best, pity you and at worst, resent you even hate you.
That was and is fecking obvious.

I should have thought it’s common sense they would be leaving like any other business that is directly to do with the EEC so how can it be a shock

What has globalisation (and the EU, which is just a smaller version) delivered to the bottom quintile (or even quartile)? Certainly in London it is obvious that very few service jobs are done by British nationals as EU citizens from countries with low incomes are prepared to work for a lot less

And yet London - including some very working class areas such as Tottenham, where I used to live - voted overwhelmingly to remain, as did other UK cities.

Bell,

I did not vote leave for a variety of reasons, so it is not ‘my’ protest vote. I merely try to understand it and not have scorn for people who chose to vote that way.

Do you really think life will get worse for the bottom quartile? I don’t. Brexit will hurt the middle and upper middle. The top will be unscathed and the very bottom may actually benefit. A net loss to the country does not mean everyone will be poorer.

pelegrina . Dosent that prove clearly the huge salary she’s on if a dentist can afford to quit and live off her salary alone.
A salary that paid no tax here been she’s in a EEC tax free job.

We'll find out soon enough who Brexit will benefit.

I'd put money on wealthy folk like Larry doing quite well out of it. The bottom quartile, not so much.

@larrygrylls , you are utterly kidding yourself. It will get so much worse for people who don't have much now. So much.

If you live here and work here you pay tax. For goodness sake.

Misti,

If we do see, which I somehow doubt (I still think we will get a last minute compromise). I have no idea how you think the asset rich (if the assets are in the uk) will benefit.

A housing fall, however, will certainly benefit teachers, doctors, nurses not already on the housing ladder, however.

@larrygrylls my scorn is reserved for anyone stupid enough to support no Deal. I'm for WA because it is a version of Leave I am prepared to live with. To say No Deal is a realistic option is utter stupid fantasy. If anyone is alienated by me telling them not to flush the country down the toilet, I have no interest in their views. Nonsense is of no interest to me and we shouldn't give it the courtesy of listening to it.

Do people really think that men and women from France, Poland, Germany etc don't pay tax here?

I'm sorry I have never, ever called Leave voters thick before but this comes pretty close . I suppose Brits employed in Paris,Frankfurt etc never pay tax either?

Of course, some individuals including native born may take cash in hand but you have to look at the overall statistics.
EU Migrants contributed approximately £2,300 more each per annum to UK public finances (including NHS funding and adult social care etc) than other U.K. residents.

For EU13+ migrants their contribution is £3,700 per capita higher each per annum to the public finances than the average UK adult. ( EU13+ are the EU members before 2004 plus EEA members plus Switzerland. )

Non-EEA migrants contributed around £840 less..

if the assets are in the uk

LOL.

Plenty of ways for wealthy people to protect their assets. Harder for ordinary people with cash savings.

@LouMumsnet there are (as an example) wedding threads on the main board all the time but they never get shunted over to the wedding board... it starts to feel a bit political if you aren’t consistent

@LarryGrylls you don’t really actually believe the bottom quartile will benefit do you? I can understand they might have voted that way because they thought they would benefit. But I can’t see any kind of Brexit where they actually would benefit. Far more likely their lives will become much tougher than they already are.

I didn’t say that people from Europe didn’t pay tax here. What i said is EEC jobs (ie jobs to do with the EEC )do not pay any tax here or anywhere in the EEC countries for that fact

How many people is this @Maryjoyce ? And do they, like Rees-Mogg have hedge funds moved to Dublin or, like Dyson, have they moved their company's domicile to Singapore for tax and market opportunity reasons?

All this moving businesses is panic, the UK can be great again after Brexit like it was pre the EU. The companies that are moving will have planned the move for tax reasons probably.

This is then European Medical Agency we are talking about lady . It’s departure is directly as a result of Brexit.