Why didn't we get facts like this in advance?

[Somewhereovertheroad]

HMRC projects additional Brexit red tape will cost UK businesses £6.5 billion/year. NHS estimates cost of satisfying new visa requirements on behalf of staff at £490 million/year.
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That's nearly £7 billion in annual Brexit costs, or close to the £9 billion we pay as EU members!*

Why wasn't the homework done so we could have known things like this in advance?

assuming it's true

Time4choclate at Juncker

However, he was elected by the various member states of the EU and that includes our good selves. Pesky democracy in action

Ooops my bad, it was only us and Hungary who didn't vote for Juncker, the other 26 member states did. Apologies time4choclate . Still pesky democracy though

Ironically Juncker has been, among senior EU figures, possibly the most sympathetic to May.

A lot more so than Tusk (despite a history of good relations between Poland and the U.K.) and Merkel, not to mention Macron, all of whom have taken much firmer lines.

You'd think the results of an ADVISORY and NON BINDING referendum, would then be taken under consideration along with further analysis of the consequences of the results, such as that in the OP.

In a sane world that would be what happens.

What I don't get about this "I feel the E.U. was heading for disaster so I voted Leave " idea, is that if I say, "I feel no Deal in 70 days time is a pending disaster and so I'm stocking up", I'm a paranoid unpatriotic scarmongerer with no basis for such a notion.

Yes, funny that.

Also the "waaah, why didn't anybody tell us, it was somebody else's responsibility to feed information into our passive supine mouths and therefore everything is somebody else's fault" whilst simultaneously saying "anything told to us that isn't pro-Brexit is just falsehood from vested interests who are tainted with icky foreignness in some way".

Just listened to Blair on Today. Yet another irony of this horrible situation is me agreeing with Blair - it was always "paralysis from Soft Brexit or catastrophe from Hard Brexit".Just as I found myself agreeing with Gove that WA was better than no Deal.
It's not even 9 o'clock and I'm planning my first glass of later.

In Ireland when they have a Referendum they have a Referendum commission "The Referendum Commission is an independent body that explains the subject matter of referendum proposals, promotes public awareness of a referendum, and encourages the electorate to vote.

The UK needed to have something like this so that people could read facts not propaganda!

I agree op that it's is done much better in Ireland. Referenda are part of the constitution and therefore more common and handled properly. They wouldn't have an advisory referendum treating something so important like Strictly or XFactor.
So it was incumbent upon all of us to research it properly and look at sources that said things we didn't like. Not fucking Facebook.

Enda Kenny offered to advise David Cameron on running a referendum - he politely refused.

So it was incumbent upon all of us to research it properly and look at sources that said things we didn't like. Not fucking Facebook.

Yes and we did. It's just that you don't like the conclusions that we drew from our research. Well, I don't agree with yours, which is fine. You voted how you wanted and I voted how I wanted. That is democracy.

Yes and your research has lead to the shitstorm we are in right now.
I'm not saying to Remain would equal loveliness and joy. In fact I think it is incumbent upon politicians to recognise and genuinely tackle what lead people to believe this nonsense.

I'm not saying to Remain would equal loveliness and joy. In fact I think it is incumbent upon politicians to recognise and genuinely tackle what lead people to believe this nonsense.

And there we are - they should have listened to us a long time ago when people started expressing their concerns. Instead people were ignored and this was the opportunity to express our views.

And the whole country will be flushed down the toilet with No Deal ...

You were told, again and again, but apparently it was all rubbish and just scare mongering.

Still most leavers do not believe the economic realities.
I have lost track of the numbe rof people I have heard say that it doesn't matter if it is a bit tough in the short term, it will be brilliant in the long term, once we get international trade established.

And the whole country will be flushed down the toilet with No Deal ...

But that is entirely on all of the politicians who are refusing to agree in order to push various agendas.

Nope, it's on a lot of other people including people who voted for the suicide mission of Leave and double down on that by supporting No Deal.

It's just that you don't like the conclusions that we drew from our research.

Well no. It’s just that a lot of the conclusions you drew, going by what you’ve written in this forum, were bollocks.

TatianaLarina

Ok. That's the way that democracy works though - we are all allowed to vote based on what is important to us. If you don't like that then maybe you need to start campaigning for restrictions to be placed on who is allowed to vote. Who will get to choose the criteria? You? That sounds democratic. Good luck.

If it had been up to me we wouldn’t have had a referendum on such a complex subject, as I could have told them them the majority would vote on feelz over facts.

People can vote the way they want of course but, with such a narrow margin of victory, you are hardly taking everyone with you @Weetabixandshreddies .

It doesn't seem to have dawned on many in the UK that until March 29 we are ALL Europeans who have a right to live anywhere in the European area.
Having this right taken away by a subset of those in the UK who aren't interested is beyond disgusting.

1tisILeClerc

And you support a solution that enables you to live in the EU because that is important for you.

It isn't important to me.

So you voted for reasons important to you and I voted for reasons important to me.

We will still be in Europe, just not in the EU.

Tbh, I've always considered myself as British rather than European.

If it had been up to me we wouldn’t have had a referendum on such a complex subject

Me either. I think it was the wrong decision but once the referendum was happening what choice did we have - vote or abstain from the process.

And @Weetabixandshreddies , which vote will directly lead to immediate catastrophe- No Deal, WA or No Brexit. Tbe second and third are not without national problems. The first is unspeakably dreadful.