OK. Shall we Brexit?

[Miljah]

I am an increasingly passionate Remainer.

But the time has come where I think Britain needs its arse whipping. I feel deeply sad for the 16m (me) who foresaw the oncoming car crash; but I now think the best way we can shorten the agony of the next few years is to let it happen; learn, beg back into the EU, accept the Euro etc.

I can't see any other way through this.

And the U.K. couldn't maintain the same terms (which are based on WTO rules) with the countries outside the EU that it has trade agreements with because?

They was being used to describe the EU to Boris' point that the EU 'they' are open to change. My point is made directly in response to that. This is getting a bit dull

Thank you fishes

"And the U.K. couldn't maintain the same terms (which are based on WTO rules) with the countries outside the EU that it has trade agreements with because?"

Because the UK doesn't have an independent trade deal with these countries. They aren't based on WTO rules.

Go take a look at the number of countries with different trade agreements with the EU.

"Actually the 'they' in this case was the European Commission, for it was they who lost the court case and were forced to change the regulations."

But the system worked did it not? He was able to make the commission change? The commission implemented the rules, Dyson challenged.

Your point was that the ruling showed the EU were open to change. It does not. It shows that they were forced to change

". It shows that they were forced to change"

But it does change and has systems to facilitate it, a whole narative of the anti EU group is that it doesn't change.

Also the point was that Dyson shouldn't be held up as an example of a business wanting to leave the EU because a) he doesn't manufacture here or have the majority of staff here and b) in 2016 he had an ongoing court case with the EU.

And the U.K. couldn't maintain the same terms (which are based on WTO rules) with the countries outside the EU that it has trade agreements with because?

It's entirely possible that they could but in every case they'd need the agreement of the country they wanted to roll over a deal with and the agreement of the EU. Agreements can't be unilateral though; unless there's an actual agreement in place then we can neither offer nor be offered preferential tariffs.

I don't profess to be an expert on this Boris but my understanding of being a member of WTO is that you have to abide by the rules unless you have a customs union when you can flex. As such as members of WTO the rules outside the EU will be governed by WTO rules.

"As such as members of WTO the rules outside the EU will be governed by WTO rules."

Yes, but for countries that currently have trade agreements with the EU, that we export to under these terms we will have reverted to WTO terms, and will not be exporting/trading with on the terms we currently do.

15% of our exports go to countries that are not in the EU but have trade agreements with the EU. There are other agreements that facilitate trade in individual product markets. All will need to be renegotiated.

{Tate and Lyle was one company that did. }
That will be the Tate and Lyle that built a fair amount of Liverpool and elsewhere on the stonking profits from the slave trade.
As an insight into the mentality of the British government, when the slave laws were changed to prevent it, the slave OWNERS were paid compensation by the government. The slaves got nothing.

Eu restricts trade worldwide by the use of tariffs they are also slow in negotiating trade deals

Never under this criticism.

The Canada/EU deal took 7 years BUT thats just a few months per country, without the EU, how long would it have taken Canada to have reached FTA's with most of Europe?

Do we want our manufactures or farmers to all go bust or workers do 7 day weeks for $10 per day? because if europe had no protectionist tariffs that is what would happen.

the Tory party will allow the exploitation of the most vulnerable.

That goes without saying, the Tories want to have a zero welfare state and go back to the days of the workhouse.

Alwaysinmotion this exactly