Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

*We can nationalise our railways"

They are nationalised - problem is some of them are owned by the governments of other European countries (e.g. Aviva = Germany).

I think some still think the four freedoms can be waived to suit us
NOPE
Corbyn is deluded if he thinks that
hence why we are in this mess

cake and eat it too

Sebo are better than Miele
just saying

I’ll try a Sebo when my Miele dies.

So in about 10 years time

Buteo
I had Dysons till I got fed up.
Then as part of the medical cohort study I was in for 15 years, researchers came and vacuumed my house .... they swore by Sebo ..... so I was a convert

Lose weight due to rationing.

Brexit might work for me when SW and ww have failed.

Anyone care to join me for a weigh in on March 29th?

Talkin my domestic appliance engineer bought up the entire stock of Sebos when a local store closed down because he rated them so much. I’m still of the mindset that I’m happy with my Miele and won’t replace it until it finally dies.

@Easilyflattered 😂

“Say goodbye to: annual leave, maternity pay, childcare/dependants leave, statutory redundancy, working time regulations”

I don't think its hysterical at all, employers over time will whittle away rights, in a predominately non Union workforce, there is little to stop them if we have another 5 years of Tory Government.

Mays assurances to the contrary are worthless.

Yes UK has rights and benefits above EU minimum in some cases, worse in others but these rights were won when we had a strong unionised workforce and a certain Barbara Castle.

The Woolworths ECJ case you linked to, put redundancy consultation back to where it was, it didn't really take anything away.

We need to be very careful when wishing for less "bureaucracy" so we can become more competitive. A lot of the things that are banded together under the terms "bureacracy" and "red tape" are things that many people actually want: legislation to ensure truck drivers take adequate breaks so are less likely to cause accidents on the roads; consumer guarantees on purchases and rights of return; reductions of factory emissions; compensation for airline passengers in the event of overbooking.

In reality, if we want to continue trading extensively with EU member states we will have to adhere to most of these regulations anyway. Or somebody comes on and says that we will have our own "superior" legislation - well, we can do that as member states, and it certainly won't enhance our competitiveness if we do it once we aren't in the EU.

The reason a comprehensive EU-US trade deal has never been signed is primarily because agri-food business in the US is huge and the EU is particularly stringent about food safety standards - there is far greater use of chemicals in the American food industry than in the European industry. A poll last year showed that 82% of the British public would not want a trade deal with the US if it involved lowering our current food safety standards.

China is the world's most successful manufacturer because it can manufacture so cheaply due to a lack of regulations on workers rights (look at the working conditions and pay of Chinese factory workers). Is this how we want to compete?

"Bureaucracy" and "red-tape" are just more meaningless Leave slogans.

{I think some still think the four freedoms can be waived to suit us}
If you take one of the wheels off your car it won't work properly. Same with the 4 pillars of the EU.
Citizens of the UK ARE Europeans, it is not 'us against them', in the same way that people from Birmingham are the same as people from Cardiff, perhaps with a different accent. The fact that many in the UK don't visit the 'mainland' doesn't stop it being true.

millyonth

We can nationalise our railways.

Haven't RTFT - someone else may have said this - but as most of our railways are currently owned by the nationalised railway companies of other EU countries, I fail to see why we'd need to leave the EU to do that

"Bureaucracy" and "red-tape" are just more meaningless Leave slogans.

And why they are necessary can be encapsulated in the one word Grenfell - a completely avoidable tragedy.

Kitten. The EU has a policy that prevents a national railway monopoly.

There are state-owned railway companies in the EU but they cannot run all the trains and all the track in one country like the old British Rail. This may not bother you, it is just an example of the way the EU has control over things that used to be sovereign.

There are pros and cons to this EU control of course. If the EU shifts even further to the right in its ideologies, then the cons would increase for a lot of us and there would be very little we could do about it. I would prefer to have a national government in charge because if we dont like their ideology we can vote them out.

I fear the consequences if we don't leave the EU this year.

There are quite a lot of fascist MEPs

Millyonth just out of interest, is nationalising the railways in the Conservatives manifesto ? Are you assuming that the electorate are suddenly going to vote Labour, if there is a snap GE ?

If there is a GE and Labour win, they will be completely snowed under with Brexit matters for the foreseeable future. Brexit doesn't end on March 29th.

I despise, actually despise Corbyn. I'm a traditional labour voter and quite old . I've seen his like before in the 80s.
Yes, I know the loyal Labour thing is to hold your nose and vote for the local candidate. As decent and hardworking as mine is, he has chosen now to be on the wrong side of a local major environmental debate. So I can't hold my nose and vote for him either.
Corbyn indulges antisemites, played with the "cool kids" like IRA terrorists, claims a dead woman's success as his own - GFA, has no clear position on Brexit and doesn't defend natal women (God, I have to even use that stupid term).

There are state-owned railway companies in the EU but they cannot run all the trains and all the track in one country like the old British Rail.

And as previously explained uptgread, there are ways around this:

Other European nations demonstrate how Britain could take the railways back into the public sector while abiding by EU rail rules. There are two main adopted models. The first is two separate state-owned companies (one for track, one for trains), which is used in Spain and the Netherlands.

The second uses separate companies within a state-owned group of companies (a parent company with a subsidiary company for infrastructure, and others for different train services). This is the model used in Germany and Italy.

theconversation.com/amp/renationalising-britains-railways-eu-law-not-a-barrier-96759

I think some still think the four freedoms can be waived to suit us - Corbyn being one of those on the Andrew Marr show this morning

I was thinking about this last night and it just sums up why we are in this mess.

When politicians as high profile as Corbyn are still spouting bollocks about the 4 freedoms being divisible for the UK because we are ‘special’ its No wonder it doesn’t sink in that they really are not divisible.

You're all missing the point getting bogged down in how we could or could not circumvent the EU rules on railways. The point is loss of sovereignty. And the dangers therein. I have done my best to explain my position. It's much safer to be ruled by a government that you can easily vote out.
Sovereignty. Democracy. Accountability.
I think its something only Leavers get.

Bear. I absolutely agree with you about the four freedoms. It's all or nothing.
But anything can happen and Germany is facing recession.
I hope the EU don't blink because I want out.

Sovereignty. Democracy. Accountability

I do understand what you are saying but you have to look at these things on balance, we lose sovereignty by membership of many organisations NATO, UN, ECHR etc but we gain in other ways, so on balance Parliament decides its worth staying IN.

The EU tells us how to run our railways but you are getting upset about something that even Labour cannot afford to implement, so we are never going to have a BR style system anyway.

When we leave the EU we will lose all the benefits for some gain, for me that gain is not enough to counter the negatives, esp the economic downturn, easy for millionaire leavers to say we will weather the storm" as a french protester said the other day "Macron eats cake, he does not care"

Sovereignty Democracy Accountability are all things we have already.
And won't put food on the table if we go No Deal.