Can we have a list of all the things we will be able to do once outside the E.U. that we can’t do now

[Bearbehind]

With 11 weeks to go this should be easy but it’s clear from other threads that people still think things that have nothing to do with the E.U. will change when we leave.

Can we have a list of tangible positive things that can only happen by leaving.

Of course people would like to live in their 'home' towns with friends and relatives. The Syrians, Iranians, Africans would LOVE to stay in their homelands but unlike Stoke either their own or other governments are bombing and gassing them, or ISIS are killing them, and even if that isn't going on, there is no work other than plain survival, so Stoke starts to look very attractive. There are some decent shops there but I would prefer not to live there personally.

But who signs up for a deal that’s impossible to get out of?
Or if you do leave you’re life is ruined.
Would you personally sign up for that?

Exactly my point. We should never have signed up to something that we couldn't leave without all of this.

And I know that the EU aren't responsible for the poverty that some people live in. I know that is down to successive governments. My point was that many people in this country have felt ignored for years. This referendum felt like a chance for change. All I see from remainers on here are arguments about wanting to work in Europe, or their children's opportunities in Europe, or the potential loss of Erasmus - these benefits simply are not of any relevance to many families in the UK.

No one has handled this process well - not Cameron for giving the referendum, both campaigns (which sought only to point score against each other rather than actually educate the voters), certainly not May and her handling of the past 2 and a half years.

The fact remains though that the EU have to make this fail to stop anyone else from leaving.

So doesn't suit students at all? No university or school is finished in May.

Sorry, I missed this discussion earlier.

I know many uni students who have finished by Easter. Last year my daughter finished in March because of the strikes and only had 1 exam after Easter, so that job would have suited her.

And the previous government with 'bigotgate' was just a figment of my imagination then?

I am not a Labour supporter and had little time for Blair, except for his part in the Good Friday Agreement (continuing Major's work) but I don't remember schools being so starved of cash under Labour. Nor do I remember the numbers of homeless people on the streets. I have seen Gordon Brown's 'bigotgate' interview and he says it once - it doesn't excuse it, but IMO it's nonsense to make their record entirely about that.

The fact remains though that the EU have to make this fail to stop anyone else from leaving.

No - they ar3 simply demonstrating that you can’t cherry pick the bits you like and opt out of the bits you don’t like.

Why is that so difficult for Leavers to comprehend?

It’s a club - if you want to be a member you take the good and the bad.

I’m getting so tired of this ‘people voted for change’ line.

Yes they did, and I understand why. But this referendum was never the right forum for that change.

Why can’t people see and accept that?

Why can’t people understand that there has been precisely nothing mentioned about how those domestic issues are going to be resolved but there has been a lot about how Brexit will make the country worse off.

You can be as tired of it as you like but until the political classes recognise that huge swathes of the population felt they had no investment in the status quo then this country will be vulnerable to civil unrest.

{And I know that the EU aren't responsible for the poverty that some people live in. I know that is down to successive governments. My point was that many people in this country have felt ignored for years. This referendum felt like a chance for change. All I see from remainers on here are arguments about wanting to work in Europe, or their children's opportunities in Europe}
So this argument basically says, 'my children are hungry so I will burn my neighbours house down'.
As your logic goes it's rubbish.

{The fact remains though that the EU have to make this fail to stop anyone else from leaving}
If you can't understand that most of the inhabitants of Europe want to be 'together' that is your issue not theirs. Sitting at home moaning is a very bad look and deserves no sympathy. Only 17 million wanted out, 43 million did not want out, why are you making them suffer because you can't understand that whatever is wrong in your life has nothing to do with the EU.

Yes they did, and I understand why. But this referendum was never the right forum for that change

Why can’t people see and accept that?

What are you on about?
Leaving the EU is the biggest change this country has seen since WW2.

What change do you think people want?
A change of hairstyle for Theresa May?

Yes they did, and I understand why. But this referendum was never the right forum for that change.

Because for lots of people this offered a chance for change. Any chance is better than no chance.

And honestly 1tisILeClerc. Are you related to Norman "get on your bike Tebbutt" or maybe Marie Antoinette? How do you think people with not a penny to their names, maybe no formal qualifications and a couple of children in tow are going to nip across the Channel to find work? How do the pay their fare, or should they find a rubber dinghy and row over?

And you claim not to be out of touch.

Only 17 million wanted out, 43 million did not want out

43 million voted remain?
Why are you talking rubbish?

OP back to your original question.
2 examples:
I think with brexit there is a real opportunity for our farmers and food production to flourish. Think about it, when the Dutch Tomatoes get to expensive to buy because of import duty and our grain is to expensive to export- farmers supermarket & co will have to look at the more local market.
There is also the prestigious (private) education system that is producing excellent scientists and thinkers... the UK CAN find ways to keep these people here and build an successful economy around them. Creating jobs for everyone. Of course this takes time and a forward thinking government...
But I can see the UK flourish again in 30 odd years after brexit. While the EU is finally at it's knees.

Only 17 million wanted out, 43 million did not want out

Following your logic then, in 2017. 13,636,000 voted Conservative out of 46,863,000 votes, meaning 33,227,000 voters did not vote Conservative (or using your total population figures 53,000,000 didn't vote conservative) so why do we have to put up with a Conservative government?

Oh yes, that's right, because that is how our system works.

There you go all of you hoping that leaving the EU will help the poor. Brexit will be a massive benefit to privately educated people.

I'll hold your coats while you fight.

{And honestly 1tisILeClerc. Are you related to Norman "get on your bike Tebbutt" or maybe Marie Antoinette? How do you think people with not a penny to their names, maybe no formal qualifications and a couple of children in tow are going to nip across the Channel to find work? How do the pay their fare, or should they find a rubber dinghy and row over?}
No, but having done my tax today to pay benefits to Brits you could at least have decency not to make my life more difficult.
Half the world would love the handouts that Brits get because in their life without work there is no money, no food, no housing and when they get sick, no hospital unless they actually work.
And yet some manage to get from Africa to the UK without a job.

Only 17 million voted to leave from a population of 60 million. OK a lot are kids who will now suffer because of the action of the 17 million and then many either voted remain or didn't bother.

So, now you have voted and are leaving how are you going to support yourself when the job cuts really start? You voted for change, you are getting change, enjoy it.

{I think with brexit there is a real opportunity for our farmers and food production to flourish. }
It will have to be quite radical as there is insufficient land area to support the population. Not sure how well oranges, bananas and rice grow in the UK.

Are you labouring under the impression that you are the only one paying taxes here?

More people voted to leave than voted to remain.
If people were too lazy to vote, or just didn’t care enough to bother, then they’ll just have to suck it up.
Don’t moan about something you couldn’t be bothered to take part in.

Who said “this wasn’t the right forum for change”.

It was the ONLY forum people had. Anything seems better than nothing to desperate, disenfranchised, pissed off people.

Are these the pissed of disenfranchised people who voted to give opportunity to people from prestigious (private) schools?

Half the world would love the handouts that Brits get because in their life without work there is no money, no food, no housing and when they get sick, no hospital unless they actually work.
And yet some manage to get from Africa to the UK without a job.

There is so much wrong with your post that I don't even know where to start.

Yes, I dare say that when compared to some people in the world even homeless people living on the streets of the UK are well off in comparison because they can get free healthcare.

People living on benefits are not living the life of riley. Many children are living in poverty, their families relying on foodbanks. Granted, they are not starving as people are in some parts of the world and nor do they have bombs dropping on them.

Yes, people come from Africa and elsewhere and manage to get here with nothing. Many die on the journey, drowning when crowded dinghys overturn or die in the hold of an airplane. They do it because they have no choice. Is that really what you are advocating for the people of the UK? If you can't get a job here risk life and limb to become an economic refugee in Europe because you just might not be able to find a job paying tuppence ha'penny over there?

Wow, just wow. I didn't think that there were people who honestly thought like that.

You wouldn't really be risking life and limb to get a job in the EU though.

Although, no one should be forced to move.

You don’t want to get off your arse and travel to where there’s work because it’s too hard

I have a job thanks very much and no, I don't want to leave my country and my family and my support network and the people that need me. And if I had NO money, and nowhere to live and no qualifications I doubt very much that the most sensible decision would be to leave what little I did have and travel to another country where I couldn't speak the language and would have even less chance.

I went to London today, a 40 minute tube ride from home. 6 Eastern European beggars got on that train begging for money. Is that what the jobless people of the UK ought to be doing? Follow that example and find a gang master to take them over to Europe to beg on the metro with a paper cup and a sign scribbled on a piece of cardboard?

You wouldn't really be risking life and limb to get a job in the EU though.

Well you would if you can't pay your fare over there and resort to riding in the back of a lorry, or hanging onto the axles of an HGV or trying to cross the Channel in a rubber dinghy like many people do to get to the UK, which is who we are being compared to.