Any Leavers here?

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Been reading all these threads on here about Brexit and just wondered if anyone voted Leave?
Fwiw, I did.
If you voted Leave what do you anticipate will happen before 29/03?

Dont be shy, I can't be the only Leaver on here!

My issue with Brexit is that it won't actually address many of these concerns and will actually make things much worse for many of those that voted for it.

Totally agree.

But Boris you have quoted surfer from August 3rd - that's a long time ago really. Why would you trawl through so many posts of hers to do that?

hate it was me who posted those quotes and it wasn’t hard - advanced search, user name, ‘DS’ and Brexit section. Took all of 30 seconds.

Some of us have been on here a long time and recall what people have said.

The usual line of ‘Leavers have given their reasons before and no one listened’ was trotted out on here and boris was just making the point that the person who was stirring up emotions on this thread had indeed previously given her reasons and people did not agree with them then either.

I’m still dying to hear what called wants from another referendum if she’s not in favour of any of the only 3 choices possible.

Justhere I read your thread and posted on it. You were not "savaged" and it was deleted as there were 2 other similar threads.

When the Remaineds bail in with their goady taunts and supercilious language then we usually just bugger off I’m afraid so you will have to die waiting

@Calledyoulastnightfromglasgow , no one responded to this thread when it was created. And then one person did. It was in Brexit for all interested to see. I for one expressed sympathy to the op and gave her/him some prepper advice.
This "goady Remainer " shtick is getting a bit tired.

I've not been on many brexit threads (not sure I've posted on any but have read a few) but with this one it's not hard too see why leave voters get a hard time. Very few are willing to share their rationale, and the rest just resort to insults and immaturity.

Thanks to those on both sides of this who have answered.

Surely now we all have the common goal of wanting the government to do what's best for the country as a whole. Unfortunately there are those who want what's best for them and their beliefs; then there are those who want what's best for everyone (as far as possible as it is to do that).

It's a shame the government doesn't have the ethics that doctors do of "do no harm." Some would argue the government has no ethics at all.

When the Remaineds bail in with their goady taunts and supercilious language then we usually just bugger off I’m afraid so you will have to die waiting

Funny that you haven’t actually ‘buggered off’ though. You’ve come back to give the same old tired reason why you can’t respond.

We all know it’s because you literally cannot respond though.

I certainly was savaged, and the duplicates were deleted, but on the deletion message for the last one, the moderators said it was deleted due to the volume of personal attacks! But if your version makes you feel better gold...

Just here I read your thread and posted on it. You were not "savaged" and it was deleted as there were 2 other similar threads

No it wasn’t.

surfer I don’t understand why boris post was deleted, other than because it was reported.

Really, you don’t understand?

I think I’m living in some parallel f?@#g universe

With regards to the concerns that surfer expressed way back in August I do understand them. Whilst all reports suggest that EU migrants have had an overall positive effect on wage-levels it has had a negative effect on the lower-paid. Whilst the 5% suppression in the wages of the low-paid is described as "small" it isn't small to the low-paid.

www.ft.com/content/797f7b42-bb44-11e8-94b2-17176fbf93f5

Arguing the toss over whether a now deleted post was OTT is not helpful. It just adds fuel to the incorrect notion that every Leave poster on here gets slagged off and ridiculed just because one did.

You are in a parallel universe time

One where a fellow Leaver says they want another referendum but doesn’t support any of the 3 possible options.

I think people voted for a variety of reasons personal to them and it is almost pointless arguing over this now. What matters is how we deal with the result. I would like to know how Leavers feel about how whole thing has been dealt with.

Are the Leavers here happy with how the government has handled the negotiations?
Are you confident about the level of planning and preparations for leaving the EU?
Do you have confidence that the government are acting with the best interests of the country and ordinary people in mind?
Do you think peopke will be worse off if we leave with no deal?

This is not intentional be goady, I am personally so disappointed and I am desperate for a positive spin on all this.

"Whilst the 5% suppression in the wages of the low-paid is described as "small" it isn't small to the low-paid. "

Its "infinitesimally" small as described by the author of the report.

"we can calculate that the new paper implies that the impact of migration on the wages of the UK-born in this sector since 2004 has been about 1 percent, over a period of 8 years. With average wages in this sector of about £8 an hour, that amounts to a reduction in annual pay rises of about a penny an hour."

www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/how-small-small-impact-immigration-uk-wages

So a penny an hour over 8 years.

Standard working week : 40p per week, meaning £20.80 lower per year.

£166 over 8 years.. or £3.20 a week.

So far below the increases to tax threshold over the same period, which has gone up £500

So yeah, relatively inconsequential. the tax threshold has increased from £6, 475 to £11,000 or by £87 a week. Meaning that even with immigration the lowest paid workers are £83.80 better off.

Extremely low, and actually negligible.

Also immigrants don't cause unemployment in UK nationals.

But hey, lets deal with the feelz rather than the facts.

Ahh Boris - it depends on how you do your calculations doesn't it?

NMW=£7.83
5% of £7.83 = 39p

39p x 40 (hours) = £15.60pw

OK, so let’s take a tangible example - Jaguar Land Rover are shedding 5,000 jobs, most of which will be in the UK.

Whether you blame that on Brexit or not it just shows the last thing we need to be doing right now is alienating ourselves from the worlds largest trading bloc.

What industry is going to pop up to replace those jobs?

You'll lose a helluva lot more than £15 a week if we go no deal.

Maybe so bellin but that £15pw has already been lost. It isn't about "forriners" taking "our" jobs at all but the supression of wages and demand and supply. The problems are caused by employers taking advantage of a continual supply of unskilled labour under FOM (as distinct from immigration).

People so often ask why so many already deprived areas voted to Leave and I am giving an example of why.

I understand that @HateIsNotGood . However you don't fix this with no Deal. You just don't. That would be an economic calamity where the poorest would be bottom of a much bigger shit pile.
WA is the only reasonable version of leave that's available .

hate JLR making thousands of people redundant makes the problem worse; there will be less jobs and more skilled workers who are unemployed and chasing those jobs that are available

It’s impossible to deny that an element of JLRs decision is Brexit related (the extent to which is not necessarily relevant anyway)

The UK becoming more insular and less appealing to investors makes the issue even worse.

You Leavers should be shouting from the roof tops that the JLR issue is OK because x, y and z are going to happen because of Brexit, only you can’t, because Brexit is just going to make it worse

Boris has just explained, with workings,
that it’s £3.20 per week. Not sure why you’re perpetuating the £15 figure, Hate.

@1tis1LeClerc thank you. I think I feel sad now. I guess I had a rosier view of things back then. And was naive. I felt that we were a strong confident country that was respected around the world and we could do better on our own. I saw the EU as a big institutional organisation that interfered too much in our lives and stifled trade. I thought we were strong enough to sail through a temporary storm to reach a better place. I thought our Government would steer us through this and would plan our leaving meticulously and would achieve through strong negotiating a decent deal with the EU. I expected our Government to have cross party involvement in the process at the start and not to invoke article 50 until Parliament knew when it was best to do so and they had agreed the direction we were to go in. I also did not have an understanding of how the NI border issue would be so prominent in the whole thing. I feel let down by our Government and parliament in all of this.i also feel guilty at voting to leave. Forty years of negativity about the EU from our Governments and media had formed my view about the EU. Since the referendum and sadly not before, I have read more literature and realised how we didn't really give it a chance. It was all about what we could get out of the EU rather than what can we all do together to make people's lives better. Nations are better cooperating and pooling resources together for the greater good. We are stronger being a part of the EU standing up against the likes of the USA and Russia and China. I now feel that a pandoras box has now been opened and Theresa May is the only one who can close it but for some reason is determined not to despite the damage that it will be closed

Talks - Boris only copy and pasted someone else's workings so it really is a matter of choice who's workings you prefer. You prefer Boris' and I prefer mine.

Bellin I agree with you on No Deal vs WA

Fantastic post arthur

I just with more people would see things the way you come to have.