Any Leavers here?

[HoyPolloy]

Been reading all these threads on here about Brexit and just wondered if anyone voted Leave?
Fwiw, I did.
If you voted Leave what do you anticipate will happen before 29/03?

Dont be shy, I can't be the only Leaver on here!

surfer I remember you posting about your concerns about your son and IIRC, posters on here were very supportive.
I agree that it isn’t great to bring posters’ DC into this but nobody said your DS is thick.
I have concerns of a different kind regarding my 18 year old DS1. Brexit is going to make his future a lot more limited in terms of employment or further study.
He is at university and is very interested in pharmacology. The HQ of the European Medicine Agency has moved out of the UK because of Brexit and leaving will have a negative impact on medical research.

@Bearbehind , not sure that's licence to insult someone's child. If someone's kid hasn't done well at school there can be all sorts of reasons, usually very personal to them.
Those read like some of the few sensible posts from that poster and doing so should be encouraged .
Well that's what I think anyway.

That was the point that was made at the time PC

Leaving the EU wasn’t and isn’t going to magically open up more opportunities for those children who aren’t academically as strong as others.

Destroying the economy will result in fewer jobs at all levels, thus making the issue worse not better.

But no one has insulted anyone’s child bellini

surfer has said she wants less immigrants as there are too many taking up unskilled roles that her son might otherwise have.

That was her logic for voting Leave.

Many of us disagree with that logic and are pointing that out,

@Bearbehind completely agree that a prosperous economy is better for everyone. Also agree that we need to do what we can to help people with less obviously positive options for career development.
Tanking the economy with No Deal will absolutely ruin both.

@Bearbehind , I don't want to quote what the post in question said but if you said that like that about my dd, even if I was a whiny snowflake pita, I'd be entitled to be upset by it.

you aren't entitled to be upset by it if you gave it as a reason.

Faux outrage by leavers again.

I am genuinely interested in why some people are up for No Deal? Seeing as that may be what we are heading for. I have read a lot of leavers (on other sites as well) saying no deal will be 'amazing' and they'd 'love that'. I know they say it's all 'project fear', the catastrophic predictions but it just seems like common sense that to just cut yourself off from your nearest trading bloc with no other deals in place, all to be renegotiated, when we live on an island that can't support itself is just madness? Please can any one explain how it 'will all be fine'. ? Or do people just think no deal means we stay as we are?

I am genuinely interested in why some people are up for No Deal?

I genuinely don't think it's complicated

• they stand to make money out of it
• they do not understand the implications, because they are not capable of or do not care to inform themselves
• they don't live in the UK and have already got the popcorn in

The issue of too many unskilled people chasing 'unskilled' jobs is a massive global issue, and is as bad in many other countries. People in the UK getting upset and stamping their feet won't change a thing.
There are twice as many unemployed youngsters in France as in the UK. It is a serious worry for the French government. Unemployment is very high in many countries. Again, stamping feet and hollering is pointless, as all it does is wind up the 'extremist' elements who then incite destruction, which in turn wastes money which could have gone to something constructive. The idiots wrecking stuff won't be the ones getting contracts to repair the damage.
Time and time again those who claimed to have voted leave are complaining about being picked on. A different story to 2 years ago when it was all 'we won get over it'.
Rather than this whining, put your thinking caps on and work out HOW the UK is going to get out of this hole.
Meanwhile the posh twats in the government are trying to find any excuse to bugger up the UK more than it is already and are not proposing anything that will enable the UK to recover.

There are twice as many unemployed youngsters in France as in the UK.

This again ... it's not correct.

The unemployment rate is higher, because the pool of active 18-25 year olds is much smaller (far more French people of this age are in higher and further education) and the ones who are not in HE are by definition less employable.

But if you look at the ratio of unemployed youth as a percentage of total 18-25 year olds, it's not that dissimilar to the UK ratio (a bit higher in FR but not much, off the top of my head 9% in FR vs 8% in the UK).

Back just in time to catch up on the thread.
Lots of interesting comments to get through.

One thing caught my attention - those who say it's better to remain and reform the EU from within, what reforms would you make/do you think are needed?

Off to catch up now!

PCPlumsTruncheon & bellinisurge

Thank you for sticking up for me.
I wish all remainers were like you, maybe we’d have nicer discussions.
Thanks again

@HoyPolloy - well we are staying in but if we were I would start off with a grown up conversation about immigration and freedom of movement. Explore the options already in place for managing this better to start with.
I'd have a grown up conversation about the Common Agricultural Policy and Common Fisheries policy.
But we can't be involved in any of this once we leave so it's a moot point.

We "aren't staying in" that should say. Freudian slip!!

Sorry Mistigri
Trying to get over the inane 'we won get over it' slogans of so many is doing my head in, and I need to get some lunch!
The fact that a leaver probably wouldn't bother to check reduces any feeling of guilt for inaccuracy.

Surferjet you didn't need sticking up for.

It was only repeating what you said and no one insulted you.

Faux outrage.

Seem to remember leavers doing this a lot pre and post referendum to get other posters banned whilst managing to make outrageous statements themselves.
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Oh and I also remember you calling other posters traitors, and making goady comments to others.

{One thing caught my attention - those who say it's better to remain and reform the EU from within, what reforms would you make/do you think are needed? }
Getting an EU wide discussion and actual action on the way immigrants are hosted would be a brilliant thing. There are moves, but too little and too late at present.
An acceptance and a policy to mitigate the effects of basically too many people and insufficient decent paying jobs. Some sort of jobshare where unskilled workers 'only' work 3 days a week but the wages, supported by government mean that both can have a DECENT standard of living. A problem obviously but for a 'washer upper' job to be considered as a £20K a year but 2 people actually receive £10K.
Some 'jigging about' by government to make it fir with social security and so on so that businesses don't tale the whole 'hit'.
Something creative needs to happen in the UK, EU and most other countries. It would need a 'global' cooperation to work most fairly.

Alternatively let the far right develop, start WW3 (non nuclear) and lose a significant quantity of the population. Obviously a preposterous thought and I am in no way suggesting it.

The problem is that a lot of the "issues" that need reform in the EU from a UK perspective ( or leave voters anyway) aren't really anything to do with the EU and much more about national government policy, that or they are fictitious or distorted issues capitalised on by a disingenuous group of people for political expediency.

I voted Leave for a multitude of reasons. Including that I don’t think unlimited migration from certain countries is either fair or ideal.

I don’t think the current deal is good for the U.K. and I think a no-deal would be disastrous.

I actually want another referendum!

I utterly loathe the EU and consider it corrupt, wasteful, bureaucratic and not really remotely interested in the welfare of the average EU citizen.

What do think another referendum would achieve called given you’ve said you don’t want the 2 choices on offer for leaving and the only other option is to Remain.

Another referendum isn’t going to suddenly make the ‘cake and eat it’ Brexit that leavers still think is possible an option.

"I utterly loathe the EU and consider it corrupt, wasteful, bureaucratic and not really remotely interested in the welfare of the average EU citizen."

How is the EU corrupt?

How is immigration not fair or ideal, what are the issues that it causes.

Also the use of the word " unlimited" is incorrect, no EU immigration is higher than EU immigration which has limits. Using the word unlimited is incorrect and is done for iniquitous reasons.

bureaucratic and

"not really remotely interested in the welfare of the average EU citizen."

Please give examples

Again platitudes are not reasons.