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Why is Vladimir Putin in favor of Brexit?

105 replies

UserX · 20/12/2018 14:12

Article here

Since when does Russia care about democracy?

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Justanotherlurker · 20/12/2018 15:31

Russian motives are divide and conquer. Works as well on both sides. The only way to counter is unity.

Notice none of the major UK parties suggest that course of action, and with how tribalistic some of their supporters are there is a lack of realpolitik knowledge.

Rufusthebewilderedreindeer · 20/12/2018 15:31

I do wish you'd stay russia

I know its been hard for you in the last few days Flowers

Gilles27 · 20/12/2018 15:31

If you pay for something, you expect to get what you paid for.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/12/2018 15:34

It makes no sense why Putins government would poison Russian people here in the UK.

It makes pretty good sense given an individual who has instructed his subordinates that anyone who betrays (ie leaves) the Russian secret service should die for it.

The man who was the victim of the most recent assassination attempt in England had left the Russian secret service. (The woman who died was collateral damage.)

Others of Russian extraction or with Russian connections who have been killed/inexplicably just upped and died here have also been opponents of Putin. I would certainly say Alexander Litvinenko was killed by ingesting polonium, for example. There has been more than one lawyer who was representing someone of whom Putin disapproved, or journalist who was asking awkward questions, or close friend of a Russian businessman who had already died abruptly, who died suddenly of mysterious causes or in rather coincidental "accidents", or in one case "committed suicide" by stabbing himself repeatedly including in a couple of places he would have had seriously difficulty reaching.

Naturally enough, Putin says this was all masterminded by the UK in order to make Russia look bad. Which bit of the UK he doesn't specify, nor why anyone would bother to make Russia look bad when he's doing such a good job already.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2018 15:36

It makes no sense why Putins government would poison Russian people here in the UK.

Putin called Sergei Skripal a traitor to the motherland, and a spy.
www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/oct/03/vladimir-putin-calls-sergei-skripal-a-scumbag-and-traitor

Alexander Litvinenko was in contact with UK security services, and may have been about to testify about Russian mob activity with Putin connections.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-33678717

Nikolai Glushov was also a critic of Putin and knew where the financial bodies were buried.
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nikolai-glushkov-russia-poisoning-salisbury-attack-police-a8528276.html
www.theguardian.com/world/2018/mar/16/police-confirm-that-nikolai-glushkov-was-murdered-but-why

And there are more.

I don't think Glushkov's murder has been solved yet, but politically active Russians with knowledge of financial crimes involving senior politicians do seem to have a rather high mortality rate – and not just in the UK.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2018 15:38

Ha, x-post with AskingQuestions.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/12/2018 15:44

I felt flattered; you know what you are talking about, I just had a lot of unanswered questions which all seemed to point in one direction.

Russiawithlove · 20/12/2018 15:56

The problem is every article is written by a UK publication. That is not unbiased evidence.
Try again...

HoomanMoomin · 20/12/2018 15:58

I’m Russian, but agree to everyone who says that Putin obviously tries to divide and conquer. Of course he’s interested in it. He’d be stupid not to.

Russiawithlove · 20/12/2018 16:00

He does indeed. My point is The UK are little fish in a big pond. Useful but v disposable.

RandomObject · 20/12/2018 16:01

'Useful but v disposable.'

Well that's extremely sinister.

Hoppinggreen · 20/12/2018 16:05

My husband is German, obviously Angela Merkle runs her strategy past my dc on a regular basis!!
The evidence for Russias interference in Brexit plus the Novichok poisoning is massive but obviously it can’t be true because someone who’s parents are from Russia knows better. The same person who was outraged on a Brexit thread yesterday at being accused of being a Russian “plant”

Russiawithlove · 20/12/2018 16:05

How? It just means in the here and now Mr Putin does not need us in any negotiations.

Why cannot people comprehend we are not a big player anymore.

AssassinatedBeauty · 20/12/2018 16:07

If you discount every uk source as unreliable, what are your reliable sources and how do you know?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 20/12/2018 16:07

The problem is every article is written by a UK publication. That is not unbiased evidence.

And articles from Russian publications would be unbiased evidence?

Hmm

Where would publications need to come from to count as unbiased evidence, on your terms?

Russiawithlove · 20/12/2018 16:07

I'm entitled to defend my heritage Thank You. And evidence does not equate proof.

RandomObject · 20/12/2018 16:08

The UK is a big player, like it or not. Brexit or no Brexit we are a global power and to suggest Putin has no interest in us is laughable. No we are not the US or China, but we are one of the biggest economies in the world, a member of the UN and NATO, have one of the biggest defence budgets in the world and are a nuclear power. We also punch above our weight in science, technology and soft power such as music and sport.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2018 16:09

The problem is every article is written by a UK publication. That is not unbiased evidence.
Try again...

Oh.

I just wrote out a nice post being sympathetic to you personally, Russiawithlove, because Rufus mentioned you were having a hard time and I decided to take you at face value. I know it can be difficult when you have dual nationality to hear one of your countries criticised by the other.

Looks like that was a waste of time.

Russiawithlove · 20/12/2018 16:10

Like I said I'm out. Keep defending the UK. I'm so sad to say I'm ashamed to be part of it.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2018 16:11

BTW, it's the rudeness of "Try again" I'm referring to.

RandomObject · 20/12/2018 16:12

What's to defend? I'm pointing out facts. I hate it here at the moment, I just can't understand assertions that we are some backwater when every single global measure clearly says otherwise.

PerkingFaintly · 20/12/2018 16:13

BTW, what do you personally think of Putin, *Russiawithlove?

UserX · 20/12/2018 16:21

The problem is every article is written by a UK publication. That is not unbiased evidence.

The article is quoting from Putin’s own words at a press conference. You may assume bias but do you dispute that Putin said what was quoted?

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Craft1905 · 20/12/2018 16:22

@RussiaWithLove And evidence does not equate proof.

Well it kind of does. Evidence is what gives proof. Until better evidence to the contrary turns up. We have very good evidence of the Salisbury poisoning being a state sponsored Russian chemical attack. What's your evidence to the contrary?

recently · 20/12/2018 16:24

The problem is every article is written by a UK publication. That is not unbiased evidence.
Try again...

First of all you say we should disregard tabloids (fair enough) so someone posts a link to a non-tabloid source, but no, you have decided to disregard that too. We don't have to try and convince you. It is perfectly obvious that you are not going to change your mind and that any criticism of anything Russian will be met with a charge of racism. Hmm I know lots of Russians who are able to debate politics without resorting to this. I am not getting at you, just pointing it out. You sound very young (although I could be wrong) and I don't want to put you off posting.