Westministenders: Its Really Not Getting Any Better Is It?

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We are STILL on collision course for no deal.

Christmas is here, and whilst we might appreciate the respite from Brexit News, its really a luxury we can't afford.

The meaningful vote is scheduled for January.

Chaos is scheduled for shortly after.

I wish you all a happy and enjoyable Christmas.

BCF
One of the pp on one of these threads had it a day or so ago.
The UK plan is to hide under the duvet (a continental introduction to the UK ) and hope it all goes away, apart from a handful who will be toddling down to various 'grades' of bookies.

I like the comparethebrexit.com link. If its intention is to demonstrate that in signing up to the WA all the UK is doing is trading the short term uncertainty of No Deal for long term uncertainty under non-negotiated limbo it succeeds very well.

Very powerfully makes the case for No Deal vs Remain as WA is worst of all.

I was meaning hiding under a duvet from March 30th onwards for a few tens of years.
The UK (apparently) voted for leave, why are few extolling the great virtues of doing this with plans for world domination that some MPs were shouting about less than a year ago?
All the talk is survival, where are the great plans?
The UK has not left yet so the great cash injection to the NHS has been happening already, as it has been established the UK is sovereign and can do this itself without a hand hold from the EU.

In other news Twitter is coalescing around the view that JC should just have cut to the chase and gone with the gender neutral #fuckingidiot.

How many treaties have lasted more than a hundred years?

Treaty of Utrecht - 1713 ? It's why Gibraltar is British.

Comparethebrexit was produce by an Ultra Remainer group, who trash everything that isn't Remain

With the WA, we will be negotiating with the EU; with No Deal we're on our own, in crisis
No deal will piss off the EU and they won't help us

I can understand Leavers ignoring what the EU says, but not Remainers
That goes for Blair and FBPE too

No Deal will be a catastrophe - and I shall remember those who are advocating it now

The economic and GDP outlook are worse than for the WA
Many things we take for granted in the UK would just stop working

The WA stops any plan to Revoke and try Brexit again, hence some determined Leavers hate it for that

The WA allows negotiations for a 3rd EEA pillar

The WA is not Remain, hence Ultras like Blair demonise it

imo, Remainers should go for Remain for as long as that is possible,
but saying you'd prefer No Deal if it isn't possible seems like either having a tantrum for not getting your way,
or wanting to punish those who didn't choose Remain as they were told

I know some on the left think that No Deal could be bad enough to destroy the Tory party.

However, I wouldn't burn down my house to destroy cockroaches - anyway, cockroaches would be more likely to survive than people

"As a country" we are suicidal lemmings

but I suppose it is a pov that if the UK is finished, it's better to end it quickly

Marcus Fysh MP@MarcusFysh

Sad to see @AmberRuddHR who is a nice person has such poor judgment.
First recommending non-voting Remain Norway unicorn, now advocating second referendum.

@Conservatives manifesto evidently meaningless to her.
Not appropriate for her to be in the Government.

*How many treaties have lasted more than a hundred years?

Treaty of Utrecht - 1713 ? It's why Gibraltar is British.*

Treaty of Rhuddlan 1284-1536. It's why England took over Wales.

(The only reason I know this is because it was part of my DW's Life in the UK test, so of course all true Brits already knew it )

Treaty of Union 1707. Doesn't mean the Scotland / England relationship has been set in aspic ever since.

I think it is a misconception that the WA traps the UK in a situation where it can never No Deal. What it does do however is ensure that the UK can never Revoke and Remain on existing terms.

The Life in the UK test is a real challenge. My Polish pals did it - now British citizens - and there were questions about the Boxer Rebellion. Which I admit I am a bit weak on. DH is even more of a nerd than I am and he knew the answer. However, i wonder how natural born UK citizens would have managed.

Sam Coates Times@SamCoatesTimes

Rows on migrants and manners leave ill feeling across the House

• read here about the bad blood between no10 and and Sajid Javid:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/ad7e3c9a-03d7-11e9-83a9-aa6bb81799a5

Theresa May is putting off key decisions on post-Brexit migration policy amid rows with her ministers over the direction of the new system.

The prime minister’s immigration white paper, promised more than a year ago, was finally published yesterday.
It outlined plans to end freedom of movement for EU citizens and replace it with a global system that would control the number of skilled and low-skilled workers from 2021.

However, the details of how skilled migrants would be admitted was left out after disputes with the Treasury and Home Office.

One source said the prime minister, who backs a harder line on immigration than some ministers, caused anger by withholding key proposals until shortly before publication.
< same tactics she uses on everything >

The paper failed to specify the minimum salary

The Life in the UK test is a real challenge.

If you can grab it when it comes around on iPlayer, Paul Sinha took the whole thing to pieces in a very amusing series of shows.

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b037vlck

One source said the prime minister, who backs a harder line on immigration than some ministers, caused anger by withholding key proposals until shortly before publication. The paper failed to specify the minimum salary

It would be an interesting though experiment to speculate on an immigration system which only allows people in to work & settle if they are richer than the average UK citizen. Meaning it won't be fruit pickers that can't get a job, but our own highly educated and skilled citizens ????

I wonder how that would play out with the die hard Brexiteers ? Your bus driver will be a local cockney, but your doctor, bank manager, and MP will be from Nigeria, Pakistan and India respectively ?

Not sure it it's political correctness, or mere British politesse, but there has to a point where you can genuinely point out that some people really are a bit dim, surely ?

Bigchoc what is your view on the German changes to encourage more skilled worker immigration. Are they entering a bidding war with the UK?

My cousin moved to Berlin for work a couple of years ago and is loving the lifestyle.

www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/19/germany-passes-immigration-law-to-lure-non-eu-skilled-workers

We're done for, aren't we?!

Robert Peston...
m.facebook.com/1498276767163730/posts/2236207456703987/

{ and there were questions about the Boxer Rebellion}
No idea what that is about but I wonder what relevance it is for a citizen of anywhere when their employment is either picking cabbages or designing aircraft engines.

DGR if the UK continues to fail to support families raising children and the education system properly that is what will continue to happen by default anyway.

howabout With the WA, the UK can walk away with No Deal if it accepts an Irish Sea border
We can disagree about how likely that is for the Tory party, but Corbyn wouldn't have a poblem there

Or of course the UK could alternatively give notice that it withdraws from the WA legal treaty - and hence in practice the GFA - as any country can choose to do from any treaty, but then it faces any consequences

We disagree about the % of No Deal risk in the WA, but ntbo actually choosing No Deal gives a 100% certainty of it.

Yes, it stops Brexiters from having a 2nd go at Brexit and dragging that out for even more years
So that's one major advantage of the WA.

The EU Commision has said Rejoin could be Fast-Tracked in transition, but the UK might lose some of its optouts
and no longer feel so "special"
Tough. The UK has shown itself only to be a very special idiot.

Î don't expect the EU to remain "in aspic"

I want and expect it to develop further.