Westminstenders: Dear Santa for Christmas I'd like...

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The ERG to be the grinch that stole the Tory Party Christmas who ultimately get what they deserve.

To remain in the EU

Donald Trump's impeachment

For politics to be boring again

A trex toy for my son

@lonelyplanetmum

I think I was a little more succinct

Yes as ever! But I think it often gets forgotten that it's not Ireland doing what the EU want- it's the EU backing Ireland up in what they want...

Please don't even think about extending. The bastards have buggered around for 2 1/2 years, make them keep to a deadline for once.
The fact the UK government is incompetent shouldn't be paid for by the EU.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7966415/theresa-may-coup-historic-tory-break-up/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
DOG EAT MOGG Fears no-confidence vote against Theresa May has started a historic break up of the Tory Party as Brexiteers and PM’s supporters clash

One minister said he couldn't see how the party could 'put the jigsaw back together' after the vote

“The blood is too bad, the polarities are too extreme. It is no longer a functioning party that any is able to lead, let alone Theresa.”

Others predicted the ERG’s full scale revolt would end up forcing Mrs May to align with Labour to agree to stay in the EU’s customs union as the only hope of passing any deal.

Respected former minister Lord Bridges told The Sun: “The Conservative Party has to answer a simple question: does it want to remain a single party or split?

“There is deep division that is only getting worse.

“If we want to remain as one, we have to realise we must all now make compromises on Brexit as the only way to deliver it.”

Please don't even think about extending. The bastards have buggered around for 2 1/2 years, make them keep to a deadline for once. The fact the UK government is incompetent shouldn't be paid for by the EU.

I wouldn't worry. I have every confidence the EU can look after itself - and act in it's best interests, rather than out of "da feelz" (German pragmatism ?) .

We already know the circumstances under which an extension may be considered. And "coz Treeza says" most definitely wasn't on the list.

Unless anything has changed, we'd need a new government (after an election) or a referendum result to achieve that.

Which makes me wonder if Treeza is planning on sneaking "should the UK extend the A50 negotiations ?" onto any PV ballot as an attempt to strongarm the EU. Obviously it would have to replace "Remain" as an option.

DOG EAT MOGG Fears no-confidence vote against Theresa May has started a historic break up of the Tory Party as Brexiteers and PM’s supporters clash

I think, I might start going to Church. It seems there is a God.

The WA is basically an extension providing more time to agree on the actual status of the UK EU relationship. Except that after WA, no deal defaults to "out but on EU terms in general" unlike now, without the WA, where no deal means "out, but painful".

Polly Toynbee @ pollytoynbee
Good grief! Whitehall hiring 50 in a rush for Operation yellow hammer staffing up Cobra for Brexit civil emergencies, says FT. Are we mad?

The WA is basically an extension providing more time to agree on the actual status of the UK EU relationship

You see a great part of the problem is Brexiteers genuinely think that the WA is Brexit. Remember, anyone who voted based on bananas (and we know some did) is probably unlikely to follow the nuances of the situation.

I'm seriously wondering if Treeza knows this ? It might explain why she seems so fixed on it. Although in her defence, it might just be more because she knows it'd keep Brexiteers quiet.

New: Downing Street guarantees Article 50 will not be revoked.

Now with all the history of TM and the government saying one thing and doing the opposite, that means TM will revoke A50 doesn’t it??

{You see a great part of the problem is Brexiteers genuinely think that the WA is Brexit. }
I am not convinced the HoC has a clue about it either. Maybe the delay is so they can have a bit of a look at it? I think it would be awfully spiffing if they did.

{You see a great part of the problem is Brexiteers genuinely think that the WA is Brexit. } I am not convinced the HoC has a clue about it either. Maybe the delay is so they can have a bit of a look at it? I think it would be awfully spiffing if they did.

It's very hard to accuse either of us of being flippant when - within the lifetime of a bad bout of the 'flu - the Brexit Secretary had to admit he had no idea about the relationship of Dover and Calais....

When she first became leader:
"I will not call a General Election"

If the Brexiters thought she was likely to allow No Deal, they'd be supporting her, not trying so desperately to topple her.

If she can't get her WA through, she'll probably either Revoke at the last possible moment,
or call a PV - which will have to include Remain, in order to get an A50 extension from the EU

Yes, she could really mean it, but I put the chance of No Deal at about 30%.

The Tories - and Labour & the media - need to stop hoping that the EU will dump Ireland,
or that the Republic will give in to the UK if threatened hard enough,
or that despite the 90% support for the EU in Ireland, there'll be an Irexit

Instead, they need to abandon fantasy and decide which of the feasible choices they take

Tom Connelly @ tconnellyRTE
⁦.@JunckerEU⁩ deliberately chose a green tie this morning, I’m told. #euco

If she can't get her WA through, she'll probably either Revoke at the last possible moment, or call a PV - which will have to include Remain, in order to get an A50 extension from the EU

If we take 24 weeks as the minimum required to arrange and deliver a referendum result than (unless the universe has changed) we are pretty much into 3 months after A50 expires (as things stand) ?

If Treeza is going to call a PV after revoking A50, it would have to be pretty close to the edge (say mid March ?) which takes us to September 2019ish ? By which time the demographics may have made Leave harder.

Also there's the question of what to do if a 2nd referendum says Leave (again). What about A50 then ?

What’s the significance of green tie?

What’s the significance of green tie?

What colour is Emerald ?

I'm expecting the headlines "Ireland is BULLYING the UK" 😂
No, they're not

It's just the UK hasn't got used to the idea that they can't bully Ireland any more
They are outraged at the "cheek" of it, Ireland actually being independent

So they try to make Varadkhar into either a hateful bogeyman, or a helpless pawn of the EU.

(also rather puts paid to the "foreigners have no sense of humour" trope Brexiteers like to masturbate to).

I'm expecting the headlines "Ireland is BULLYING the UK"

Is this the same UK that "held all the cards" ?

Also - I know linguistics isn't Brexiteers strong suit(e ?) but surely "bullying" is when a larger opponent overwhelms a smaller opponent by sheer force or position ? How does that play into the "Bloody Great British" myth ?

And on the same theme as a couple of tweets above.

Matthew O'Toole @ matthewotoole2
If you're a Conservative MP professing concern about Northern Ireland's place in the union, I must reveal something to you: Northern Ireland is not the same thing as the DUP.

DG If the PV returns Leave, then that is what has to happen

The justifications of a PV are that the vote was marred by illegal Leave activities and that public opinion has changed.
That gives us a 2019 referendum, but then we have to accept whatever is the democratic decision

Yes, the demographics will have changed slightly, in favour of Remain

May - and the HoC - are desperately trying to evade responsibility for what happens next, in which case a PV is a get-out-of-jail card for ditherers & chickens.

However, she may not trust the PV, or she may be leaving her decision right until 29 March, in which case the markets will be going nuts and she may just have to Revoke to ebd the chaos.

DG Brexiters - and the hard right - feel they are victims and keep telling each other that,
even very privileged well-off Brexiters

We see this in the USA too.
The classic

"When you are accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"

Yup, red
I wish people would stop regarding a party with only 290k votes and only 1,000 members as representing NI
and also stop allowing them to determine what happens to 65 million people who aren't fascist dinosaurs

btw, we have discusssed how the Tory party is ripe for infiltration with only about 100k members.
A party with 1k members would be very easy to take over, or at least heavily influence,
just by converting / bribing a few dozen to be very actve members, who can spread the poison.