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Westminstenders: Dear Santa for Christmas I'd like...

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RedToothBrush · 11/12/2018 21:37

The ERG to be the grinch that stole the Tory Party Christmas who ultimately get what they deserve.

To remain in the EU

Donald Trump's impeachment

For politics to be boring again

A trex toy for my son

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OnTheDarkSideOfTheSpoon · 12/12/2018 12:52

Adhering to reality has been in short supply for the past 2 years

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 12:53

Tim Shipman@ShippersUnbound

Corbyn is managing to unite the Tory benches.
“Nothing has changed” he says.
True. He still can’t kick a ball into an open goal
...
A very good point, this. Leaders always have more levers to pull and Brady has not given the ERG time to get organised.
They aren’t united behind a plan or a person.
Many in their ranks already seem to be at each other’s throats 💩
...
Michael Ellis flapped his order paper aggressively and excitedly towards his crotch 🤮 as Ken Clarke calls leadership contest pointless and irresponsible.
Fair to say Ellis wouldn’t have a ministerial job under any other sentient lifeform 😂😭

1tisILeClerc · 12/12/2018 12:57

{For context, one member of the government told me this morning they knew of 5 senior ministers publicly backing her and planning to knife her in private}

With the current problems on the streets of London and elsewhere that comment is in pretty poor taste.

DGRossetti · 12/12/2018 12:58

But but but .... one worried minister told me ‘I think it will be closer than everyone thinks’ - she’ll try and go on even if she wins by one but, but, but, is it feasible politically

Fuck that - the ERG can know what it feels like to be ignored over 1% ...

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 12:59

Some loonies on the leadership thread actually wanting riots 😳

bellinisurge · 12/12/2018 13:02

I saw that @BigChocFrenzy . Just like computer gaming.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:03

DG I was also thinking we could gloat over a paper-thin win
Add a sweet "you lost, get over it"

Not that actually any of us are going to win, as long as this Brexshit coninues

I hear the tiny patter of even more jobs leaving the country, even more contracts lost bz UK firms

Hazardswan · 12/12/2018 13:04

What sort of riot? Generally disgruntled? Pro brexit? Pro no brexit?

Could the rioters be directed to the DWP/jobcentre plus?

Asking for a friend Wink

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:05

Bellini I suppose it's the ordinary loony's equivalent of the ERG plans to loot
Just a few tellies instead of a few £100 million hedge profits

Buteo · 12/12/2018 13:06

If May gets any more than 164 votes then her opponents really can’t piss and moan - it’s 52% so it would have to be THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:08

Probably like France, with the far left & the far right,
merging with those who just want to lash out at anyone who appears to have slightly more money
or just fancy booting someone in the head for fun.

PineappleSunrise · 12/12/2018 13:09

Hey, why not? It's been proven quite a few times over the past few years that there's a not insignificant contingent of Leavers who feel driven to tear everything down so they can build a new world more to their liking.* Riots would fit that. That's why they've kept threatening them, over and over again.

*They still don't have a clear, positive explanation of what that is, of course.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:09

I wish the People would stop waving their Willies around and start thinking instead

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:13

right, buteo Let's all hope for 164 votes / 52%
Enough so she stays and the ERG are fucked,
not enough for her to think she's won any approval for her HoC shenanigans

Hazardswan · 12/12/2018 13:15

Wonder if those calling for roots watched the BBC doc on the 2011 riots. The police went for EVERYONE including a young adult/late teen who picked up an odd trainer that had been flung from a store and ran away.

Hazardswan · 12/12/2018 13:16

Riots*

bellinisurge · 12/12/2018 13:21

@Hazardswan , ignore all the riot talk. It's just people posting fantasy violence scenarios out of boredom.
People kick off. We all know that. Nothing a heavy rain shower won't stop.

Motheroffourdragons · 12/12/2018 13:24

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BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:24

Great piece by James Kirkup: The lies and liars of Brexit

(he's been excellent on TRAs & self-ID too, one of my go-to writers)

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/12/the-lies-and-liars-of-brexit/amp/?twitterr_impression=true

I’ve written about more ministerial resignations, scandals, failures of public policy and abdications of leadership than I can remember.
None of those failures has ever left me quite as bewildered and despairing as I am today,
pondering the latest act in the national farce that is Brexit. Bewildered, despairing and surprisingly angry.

Surprisingly because I don’t often get angry with politicians
...
But while we all make mistakes, all sometimes lack a little courage, I find it hard to forgive lying.
Especially deliberate, persistent and – most of all – consequential lying.
And that is really what the Brexit mess is all about: lying.
Pretty much everyone involved in this whole sorry mess is lying about something, and sometimes about more than one thing.
...
No one wants to tell the 52 per cent the truth that they voted for bad choices;
no one wants to tell the 48 per cent that means we have to pick one of those bad choices.
The result is that the least bad option can’t go forward because too many people still believe there’s something better on offer.
...
And the country, this country that could once claim to set the standard for political stability and solid common sense, is ruddlerless and bereft of leadership.

Because so many politicians, the politicians I’ve spent my adult life talking to, writing about and often defending, have failed in their first responsibility:
to tell people the truth.
And that is where this column ends, because I have no idea of what follows on from that failure.

GD12 · 12/12/2018 13:28

Did anyone see/hear Siarah Khan being schooled by Femi on Talk Sport last night? He destroyed her argument then she went mad on Twitter ranting she didn't care about anyone else as she'd be fine after a hard Brexit. It was ridiculous!

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:29

imo, Tory Remainers wil vote for her as the least bad option if they think they can't get one of their own elected.

e.g. Ken Clark asked her at PMQs whether she could think of anything more unhelpful or irrelevant for the party than to focus on a leadership election.
Regarded as a very helpful intervention for May.

BigChocFrenzy · 12/12/2018 13:33

Tim Shipmann@ShippersUnbound*

If May wins today, the PM cannot be challenged for a year.
When I asked whether she would commit to serve that full year, her aides did NOT give that commitment.
Sounds like she'll be gone between March and July next year < as I posted >

GD12 · 12/12/2018 13:35

And if she's gone after her WA is agreed then a hard Brexiter gets in power, they can rip up the political declaration and opt for a hard Brexit. Madness.

JediJim · 12/12/2018 13:43

Even if there was a general election called what if the same results happen again? The Tories could win most seats but not the 326 needed for a majority. The Tories would need a coalition again. Who the feck would that be with, if the DUP walk away..
We would be back to square one again. It’s political stalemate, whichever side on the EU referendum you voted. I can’t see anyway out of this:

IsobelKarev · 12/12/2018 13:45

And if she's gone after her WA is agreed then a hard Brexiter gets in power, they can rip up the political declaration and opt for a hard Brexit.

Can that happen if the WA is agreed by parliament? (Not that I think parliament agreeing the WA is remotely likely.)

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