Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

I don't want to be governed by a remote parliament

We aren’t.

Leaving is complicated because of NI. Does that answer your question @Weetabixandshreddies . Because you haven't answered mine in how to solve that.

how can leaving be so complicated?
Leaving is easy.
Retaining the perks of the EU is complicated

No it isn’t easy @Talkinpeece

The NI issue is hugely important and that’s why it isn’t easy to do...!! Look how long it took to get to the Good Friday Agreement.....

A lot of people (leavers) in government just don’t understand it, but as soon as they get a bit of knowledge, then they fuck off and resign

Believeit
True.
The GFA is an international treaty that the UK has to abide by.
But leavers never let facts get in the way of their unicorns.

We can leave but the relationship with the EU is incredibly complicated.
Exactly!

It is not right for the EU to have so much power that individual countries cannot leave, even if they want to.

If we stay the EU will consume the individual countries.

Is that what you all want?

Somewhere between 13 and 62% of our laws are affected by EU rulings.

And of those EU laws, we voted for 95%, abstained on 3% and voted against 2%. So even if we take your woolly figures at face value that's only a handful of laws that we didn't agree with.

BTW we are not in the Euro, although soon the £ and the € will be equal in value, so we might as well be!

The NI issue is hugely important and that’s why it isn’t easy to do..

But why does it have to be so difficult?
Who is making it complicated?

Come on @Weetabixandshreddies , what's your solution to NI?
That's what the difficulty is.

If we stay the EU will consume the individual countries.
Piffle

• countries set their own taxes
• countries set their own healthcare
• countries set their own education
• countries set their own electoral rules
• countries set their own defence policy
• countries set their own benefits rules

and the EU has no plans to get involved with any of that stuff

And of those EU laws, we voted for 95%, abstained on 3% and voted against 2%. So even if we take your woolly figures at face value that's only a handful of laws that we didn't agree with

And who is the we? How many MEPs do we have? They are hardly representative of the UK electorate are they?

Who is making it complicated?

Do you not know anything of the history of the island of Ireland? I suggest you do some reading, and much will become clear.

Studiously ignoring the request to solve the NI issue @Weetabixandshreddies . Saying "it's not complicated " rather betrays your ignorance.

And of those EU laws, we voted for 95%, abstained on 3% and voted against 2%. So even if we take your woolly figures at face value that's only a handful of laws that we didn't agree with.

Who is this "we" who didn't vote against them? I don't remember any consultation. It was the politicians who voted on our behalf without asking us. Just like Blair/Brown chose not to veto the free movement of people when Eastern European countries were admitted to the EU without asking what the population wanted them to do. It's that kind of arrogance from the political elite which caused people to vote for Brexit - it was basically two fingers to the Metropolitan Elite who think they know best.

and the EU has no plans to get involved with any of that stuff

Except that we have to ask their permission if we want to reduce VAT rates and aren't allowed to "zero" rate anything else.

It is not right for the EU to have so much power that individual countries cannot leave, even if they want to

Are you for real?

Complicated doesn’t equate power.

Do you even know what leaving the EU entails?

And do you even know the history of Northern Ireland?

Stop expecting remainers to do your reading for you and go and do some proper research.

Then you’ll find out why it’s all so complicated.

“Just leaving” would cause chaos. Quite rightly, we’ve got a lot of relationships with the EU. These are “relationships”, not a power dynamic. We leave but don’t want to screw ourselves over and the EU likewise. Hence all the negotiating.

We being the UK.
73 MEPs, which a second's googling would tell you.
If they are hardly representative, whose fault is that, given that we elect them?

And who is the we? How many MEPs do we have? They are hardly representative of the UK electorate are they

You need to take some responsibility for learning about your own MEP and what the EU is about.

Again, blaming someone else.

Talkinpeece

Yes now they do.

But it won't continue like that.

Slowly, little by little, control of all of those things will be centralised.

Good arguments will be made to sweeten the loss of control but the end result will be the same.

Can you really see Greece for example being given financial autonomy for much longer? How long will Germany continue to bail out the countries that just cannot support the Euro.

So you might say that currently all of those areas are controlled individually but I don't believe that will continue and you cannot convince me otherwise because you simply don't know.

Except that we have to ask their permission if we want to reduce VAT rates and aren't allowed to "zero" rate anything else.

Then it would have been up to us (the UK in case people don't know who) to propose an amendment to the rule. I dare say there would be some support.

Except that we have to ask their permission if we want to reduce VAT rates and aren't allowed to "zero" rate anything else

Er it’s a mutually agreed position. All EU countries including the UK made a decision on VAT.... its a collective agreement.

Changing the rules requires a collective decision. So everyone agreed.

The EU didn’t impose it on us, the UK walked into that agreement - that’s what being part of the EU means.

And who is the we? How many MEPs do we have? They are hardly representative of the UK electorate are they?

Oh for goodness sake. If you don't even google how many there are and for which parties how can you say they aren't representative. If people vote for idiots like Farage that's our fault, as in the U.K. electorate's fault, and sadly it's still representative of those who voted.

You appear not to understand how the UK democracy works badbunny

"Except that we have to ask their permission if we want to reduce VAT rates and aren't allowed to "zero" rate anything else."

And they have changed that law in particular, at the behest of UK MEPs.

However changes to taxes both direct and indirect are covered by WTO rules and trade agreement rules too. But you didn't know that did you?

"It was basically two fingers to the Metropolitan Elite who think they know best."

Yes adn you did that by voting for a campaign led by London based politicians who in the main went to Oxford and public schools, and paid for by non dom press barons, tax dodging lords and other multimillionaires

Really sticking it to the elite there.

Still waiting for the solution to NI ...

{retaining the perks of the EU is complicated}

Basically The UK can have NONE of them if/when it leaves.
That is good for Weetabix because he/she/it voted for a 10% price hike in everything, trashing of whole sections of manufacturing and services and so on because Weetabix has a brilliant idea and is so much better than the rest of the EU combined. Now if Weetabix would just like to explain the cunning plan I am sure we would all like to know.
On a personal note, the exchange rate has gone down another 1% today so on behalf of myself and DC thanks very much for your vote and I hope your life gets a lot harder too.