Leave voters? What's your alternative plan for the country if TM's Withdrawal Agreement doesn't get through?

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A small majority of people who voted in the referendum voted Leave. I presume they still want to Leave. How do we do that if the Withdrawal Agreement fails and Parliament has voted through an amendment which allows it to stop No Deal.
Talk me through it ...

"I'm not ignoring anything. The EU and UK say they are committed to maintaining the GFA.

Just in time - companies will adjust how they work.

These aren't examples of evidence. They are concerns that you have. The same as I have concerns if we remain"
@Weetabixandshreddies , so how will they respect GFA without the backstop. Or do you support TM Deal? Which is ok, btw because at least it isn't No Deal.
I like that you think companies will adjust. I'm sure they will but it's the time it will take to do so and the likely increase in food costs and, more importantly, how people will react to that. We don't handle snow problems we'll. We didn't handle the fuel crisis well. We certainly won't handle Just In Time problems post No Deal Brexit well.
Pretty much looks like evidence to me.

"Just in time - companies will adjust how they work."

Yes they willl stop producing in the UK

{If you tell a lie often enough it becomes true.}
I keep trying to tell my bank manager there is an extra £100,000 in my account, but unfortunately he doesn't believe me and the numbers on the statements back this up. Should I have a 'flounce' about it and tell him how mean he is?

Interesting how many posters on here have dual citizenship etc. They have a vested interest in us remaining.

Woop, there it is

Woop, there it is

Meaning what?

One poster on here says that they can have 5 different passports, another can hold an Irish passport, obviously they want us to remain part of the EU.

Remaining suits them personally. Fine, They voted accordingly.

Remaining doesn't suit me personally. I voted accordingly.

Interesting how many posters on here have dual citizenship etc. They have a vested interest in us remaining.

On the contrary - they are the ones who shouldn't care either way, because they have an escape. What annoys me is the Leavers rushing to get their Irish or German passports.

That would be me that apparently Remain suits personally. I didn't even know I was entitled to an Irish passport when I voted. My late mum is Irish so GFA is of great significance to me. I don't like in NI but I rather like not being bombed by the IRA in the UK city I live in so I suppose that's a "personal reason " in your eyes @Weetabixandshreddies . I also eat food from shops and don't like disruption to food supply so I suppose that's a"personal reason " too.
Your analysis is flawed. But I'm sure it'll be fine.

We aren't being told the facts about anything.

Weetabix does that not make you feel a little uneasy ? knowing you have based such a monumental decision on not knowing the facts ? Or are all facts in your mind 'Project fear' territory now ?

does that not make you feel a little uneasy ? knowing you have based such a monumental decision on not knowing the facts

Yes it does. But I balanced what information that I could find and made a decision. There is also no information on the long term outlook if we remain. Does that nit bother you? Where are we heading if we remain? Into a United States of Europe? Adopting the Euro and the financial responsibility of the PIGS? I think that will happen if we remain.

I don't want to be governed by a remote parliament and I don't like where we have gone over the last 40 years. This was my only chance to stop it.

There is also no information on the long term outlook if we remain. Does that nit bother you? Where are we heading if we remain? Into a United States of Europe? Adopting the Euro and the financial responsibility of the PIGS? I think that will happen if we remain

There are few certainties in life, there could be a war with Russia over the Ukraine or China v USA in the Pacific for all we know!

We've opt outs for all the things you are worried about and many countries don't want these either, so they wont happen.

In the EU we ve the probable future that, external events aside, we will continue modest growth that has lifted us from the doldrums of the 70s to a world leading economy.
We now need to focus on the in-equalities in the UK that contributed to the brexit vote.

You aren't governed by a remote Parliament though. Unless Westminster is remote for you. Give me an example of when this remote Parliament has told you what to do contrary to what Westminster has told you what to do.
And I assume you voted in every European Parliament election?

Yes we are. Somewhere between 13 and 62% of our laws are affected by EU rulings.

The impact of EU law varies from sector to sector. In many areas - public order, crime, defence, health - EU laws have minimal impact. But in others - workers' rights, trade - the impact is much greater because the single market and the free movement of workers are at the heart of what the EU is about. The way we organise our NHS is not."

Some of the laws passed by the EU we have to adopt. And that is now. Nothing to say if we remain that we won't be more and more entwined into the EU, until the UK ceases to exist.

Looking at it logically, I don't think the Euro can succeed long term as it is now. The countries involved are too different. Their fiscal policies are too different. Germany cannot bankroll Spain, Portugal, Italy, Greece, Ireland. The only way to control this is for rules to be brought in controlling how the countries deduct tax, award pensions, spend on healthcare etc. The main players will start to insist on more control over the smaller countries. How long until Greece defaults again and needs to be bailed out - again?

The EU will have to start forcing member states to do what it tells them. Look at what is happening now. Your arguments are that the UK is about to unleash armageddon - no food, no medicine, no industry and yet we are not as deep into Europe as some countries. Fast forward 20 years when we are even more entwined - how will we get out then? How will other countries be able to leave? They won't. The EU will have total control because no one will be able to leave. If we don't go now we waive goodbye to the UK as and independent country, of that I am sure.

We should not be so involved in any union that we cannot leave. They should not have this much control and influence over us that to leave causes near disaster. How was this allowed to happen?

You are all saying we have to stay because we can't survive alone, because the power that the EU wields in insurmountable. How can that be right?

@Weetabixandshreddies - the "problem " is NI. Solve that and the rest is easy (comparatively). GFA sorted it (comparatively). Brexit messes with GFA. The backstop attempts to have Brexit and GFA.
And it looks like that is not going to work.
Please solve it for us.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Of course we can leave, its our elected representatives that are stopping it, vote them out, they are only up the road in London!

Most eu laws we ve adopted are to do with trading within the SM, many don't even apply to us, like Tobacco growing in Italy or Olive product in Spain.

"Somewhere between 13 and 62% of our laws are affected by EU rulings."

and in any trade agreement laws and other things will be effected.

The WTO approves what subsidies we can give our companies, what corporation tax rates we pay, what standards we set on food quality and transport, and a whole range of other things.

Yet ignorant people like you keep bleating soundbites about taking back control.

You have no idea what you are talking about.

Cool. Ok. Sadly for you people like me were allowed to vote. And we did. And we won.

what did you win ?

"And we did. And we won."

Nope you didn't.

Go look at the mess the country is in. You did that.

Except for "leaving the EU" not one of your aims will be achieved.

Well we shall see won't we?

Yup it looks like its going well doesn't it.

What a joke you leavers are.

It isn't going well, no. But that's because of the Tory party's determination to make it fail.

They could have, and should have, had preparations under way before triggering article 50, negotiated properly way before now and brought this to an end much sooner. What is going on now in parliament? Why have they cancelled the vote? It's an absolute farce how they've handled this and so no, of course it isn't going well now.

But please answer my point above - how healthy is it for the UK to be so wrapped up in the EU that we can't leave? If we have our independence, as you maintain, how can leaving be so complicated?

weetabix
What did you win?
What are your markers of Brexit going well ?

"But that's because of the Tory party's determination to make it fail."

Except you had the leaders of the campaign in government,

"how healthy is it for the UK to be so wrapped up in the EU that we can't leave?"

We can leave, but we can't leave and have our cake and eat it. Which is what the leave campaign promised and May has tried to deliver.

It isn't going well, no. But that's because of the Tory party's determination to make it fail

Ah it’s so easy to blame but not take responsibility.

It’s failing because it’s not actually that straight forward. Anyone with any sense would know that.

how healthy is it for the UK to be so wrapped up in the EU that we can't leave

We can leave but the relationship with the EU is incredibly complicated.

We may live on an island but we are not within a bubble. It makes sense to have decent relationships with our closest neighbours.

I’m guessif you’ve forgotten why the EU was created in the first place.