Can I ask why if the British people were lied to on the campaign for the referendum you don’t want another vote?

[Inkspellme]

I’ve been curious about this question a good while and it often pops up in conversation in my house. I live in Ireland and in this country when we have a referendum we have the referendum commission to monitor it. It’s role is to post through several media types unbiased information about the choice presented to the voter. Every person in the country who is registered to vote receives this information. We also monitor the radio and tv coverage to ensure each side gets equal time to campaign for the result they want.

Which is why when I look at what happened in the British referendum I am amazed at how the information was presented to you.

It’s been acknowledged that you were lied to in the campaign. And yet now I hear your politicians talk of respecting the vote of the people when the people were given such little respect by them.

Why not a second referendum considering the first was influenced by false information. In Ireland it would have been challenged through the courts and likely to have been deemed necessary to redo. I know as a Republic we hold referenda very often so are much more experienced but I am still amazed at how the voters were treated.

I think the Remainer 'lies' were the likely consequences, if Cameron hadn't immediately chickened out, and Osborne hadn't got the push and Mark Carney had sat on his hands and done nothing.

Unlike the Leaver lies of which the £350 million a week for the NHS was a blatant lie, and others almost as much, like Turkey gaining EU admission shortly and 80 million Muslims being entitled to move here.

I want another vote.

If they had another referendum, we still wouldn't know what we would be voting for, because nobody has told us what is in the draft agreement yet.

My heart wants another vote (as my son is 18 now)
My head does not trust people to vote for reasons other than the question on the paper again

What were we lied to about?
Which boys?
I didn't believe the crap about the NHS £350 in the first place. It was disputed at the time.

Its funny how leave voters all didn't believe the £350m thing, yet it was a central tenet of the campaign.

Did they not believe the scaremongering about immigrants, or the wishful thinking about free trade deals either?

What did they believe?

I agree with you OP. I find it baffling that so many irregularities have been discovered yet it doesn't seem to matter? How is that democracy? And why bother with Any checks if there are no consequences? It pays to cheat!

@oblomov

Good for you. But the data we have to go on says that somewhere between 40-50% of people still believe the bullocks on the side of that bus.

If you didn’t believe the lies, that’s great. But lots of people did.

Having said, I think a second referendum would be like opening Pandora’s box.

I’d be more interested in a very serious inquiry into those dodgy cunts Farage and Banks.

What were we lied to about?!
What weren't we lied to about more like.

How about :

There will be no downside to Brexit, only a considerable upside
David Davis
10 October 2016

The day after we vote to leave, we hold all the cards and we can choose the path we want

Michael Gove
9 April 2016

Getting out of the EU can be quick and easy – the UK holds most of the cards

John Redwood
July 17 2016

The free trade agreement that we will have to do with the European Union should be one of the easiest in human history
Liam Fox
20 July 2017

" Turkey population 76 million is joining the EU" Farage

" Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the single market" Hannan

“Trade relations with the EU could be sorted out in an afternoon over a cup of coffee.” Gerard Batten ...

What were we lied to about? Continued...

We're not really interested in a transition deal, but we'll consider one to be kind to the EU

David Davis
15 November 2016

Within two years, before the negotiation with the EU is likely to be complete, and therefore before anything material has changed, we can negotiate a free trade area massively larger than the EU … The new trade agreements will come into force at the point of exit, but they will be fully negotiated
David Davis
14 July 2016

I am voting Leave to give Cameron a bloody nose

I voted leave because I want the Government to pay attention to the regions

I voted leave because there are too many foreigners said a person who is German by birth

If we leave the EU we will get the empire back elected Tory Councillor

6 minutes of proven lies made by the Leave campaign on the run up to the referendum.

Watch.

Can you imagine how weak we would look as a country if there was another referendum and the vote was remain. I think that would do us more damage than trying to salvage something from this leave deal.

Bonkerz
No, sorry, I think that admitting you made a mistake and correcting it is one of the STRONGEST things you can do
then again I'm rather into debt counselling at the moment

the EU would be delighted
our other trading partners would be delighted
a huge chunk of the population would be delighted

Can you imagine how weak we would look as a country if there was another referendum and the vote was remain. I think that would do us more damage than trying to salvage something from this leave deal

Thats not a reason to Leave! thats got to be the most crazy of reasons i've ever heard!

I'd argue admitting you made a mistake, is the sign of maturity and confidence, sneaking off, knowing you are wrong but worried about what others think is rather childish.

Can you imagine how weak we would look as a country if there was another referendum and the vote was remain

How do you think we look as a country at the moment?

On yes, Ireland do referendum's so frequently and sooo well, except when the result is deemed to be incorrect. In 2008 the Irish voted 'no' by 53.4% to 46.6% against Lisbon treaty, the EU deemed this to be the 'wrong' answer so made them vote again. The Irish got it 'right' the second time around though.

Yup, and benefited massively from the outcome.

The Irish want the UK to rerun the referendum because they think we have been very stupid
as several of them told me to my face last month, while sadly smiling
and the Irish are VERY angry at the impact our vote will have on them

The "Ireland was made to vote again to give the right answer" is a trope that anti-EU/Leave voters often claim about the Lisbon Treaty.

The areas of concern that both Ireland and Denmark had were addressed before people voted again.

I’m in 2 minds about another referendum.
I’d like to think that people are now better informed about the positive benefits of Eu membership. Also the release of the impact statements demonstrating the huge economic hit on the country might have concentrated minds a bit. Unfortunately most people switched off the moment leave won hence the idiotic remarks demanding why we haven’t left yet ! They're not the slightest bit interested, not politically engaged at all, - they just want what they voted for.
I’ve listened to many a Brexit phone in or question time on tv - it’s quite sad to hear people wanting more accountability from our own mps or parliament etc, they don’t want faceless Brussels bureaucrats dictating to us but they are quite happy to let right wing nutters like Raab, priti Patel etc strip us of positive Eu legislation in their desire to create a Singapore tax haven ! There’s going to be a lot of very unhappy people that’s for sure when they see employment protection, environmental laws quietly shelved....

I don't think the lies really matter. At least not to the leave voters I know. The lies just fed into what they believe anyway. That belief isn't going to change even if the truth comes and hits them on the head.

For example, my mum believes Sweden is a failing state because of all the foreigners and women can no longer walk the streets as it's so dangerous. She showed me the Daily Mail article to prove it. But I know it's not true because I live in Sweden. Not only that, she should also know it's not true because she was here a week before that article was published. But the truth undermines her inner bigot so it's not true even when it is.

@cupofteaandcake

Completely untrue.

Ireland voted against. Amendments were therefore made, and the Irish people were asked again the following year.

That time the vote swung by just over 20% as a result of the changes.

The idea that Ireland were forced into it is so much bullshit. The history is plain and out there for everyone to see.

Regardless, the latest polling in Ireland shows that only 10% of Irish people want out of the EU. 90% of people in favour of EU membership can’t be explained away by “you can’t trust polls”. It’s too statistically significant a gap.

The Irish people voted in favour of the Lisbon treaty, and they’re overwhelmingly glad that they did.

Politicians tend to tell lies when wanting votes and this was no different. It was up to the individual to decide and I certainly did not have my opinion swayed by either party on this. My opinion was formed before the decision to have the referendum, as I'm sure it was for the majority of voters. I would vote the same as I did the first time as my views have not changed, and those who shout loudest cannot keep having another referendum until they get the result THEY want. It makes a mockery of democracy.

@gingham

Speaking for yourself is cool.

Claiming to know the motivations of millions of people is not. Evidence, please.

You don’t vote once and then never vote again. That’s the opposite of democracy.

My dad voted Remain, but didn't want a second referendum as he thought it would weaken our hand in the negotiations.

At the weekend, a friend told me that she voted Leave because "if we didn't want to be ruled by Germany, why did we bother fighting in the war?"

I don't know how a second referendum would go, as I honestly believe the first one was a triumph of emotion over logic.