Westminstenders: May plays Sale of the Century

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Theresa May is currently in the midst of a campaign to sell her deal to the public. Unfortunately she appears that there are only 649 people she needs to sell it to, and that's not going so well.

She attempted a sales pitch to potential Labour rebels and succeeded in getting them to actively decide to vote against her.

There are currently 100 backbench tories who have stated they will vote against it, which makes parliamentary maths very difficult.

There is a rising support for plan b in the form of Norway Plus. This may make Remainers less likely to vote for a deal but persuade some leavers to back May.

The ECJ A50 Court case has been heard. Judgment has not been given yet. Its due 'soon'.

Next week the Withdrawal Agreement will be debated in Parliament with the vote due at 7pm on Tuesday 11th December.

Expect a rough couple of weeks.

Layla Moran was not on the list when you linked it ....

twitter.com/bbcquestiontime?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

5 names and pictures here, including hers
thanks

A somewhat sarcastic analysis of tonight's QT panel members and where they stand on Brexit

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/who-is-on-the-bbc-question-time-panel-in-penzance-tonight-november-29-2018-1-5800184

And no Buteo - Mairead McGuinness does not count, as she's not a UK MEP . There were/are plenty of hardworking UP MEPs form other parties unlike the UKIP ones like the lovely Alyn Smith (SNP) or Catherine Stihler (Labour) who could have represented the views of working MEPs

I've heard Catherine Stihler speak at a Nordic Horizons event and she was very good. This was well before the EU Referendum was on the cards, so she didn't have any axe to grind.

Louise
The point is that Farage was allowed onto the programme more than any other person
Farage was allowed to shut down debate on the Irish Border on the programme
Audience selection presented people as independent students when the whole university knew they were the UKIP Student leader
etc etc etc

The BBC has made the same mistake on Brexit as it has on Climate Change
giving equal voice to both sides is not always appropriate

Watched a lot of daytime tv today with DP nothing new there and Jeremy Corb was on This Morning with TM on next week... we kept pulling at each other it just seems so general election-y. It was good to see JC actually working...though he did not back up his claim that they can stop a no deal brexit with any explanation of facts or plans.

Oh and avoid Jeremy Vine if you can it's a ignorant, the moon landings are debatable, facts are debatable, pro leave mess. The whole team behind camera changed before Mathew Wright left and the new team seem keen to shit stir hate.

That Mairead McGuinness is shit hot. She will be a future Prez of the EU Parliament, if re elected next May.

Irish commentators and media are so informative and relatively unbiased. Tony Connelly is another to watch for info.

RTE.ie correspondents are very good. IMO. TC is one of them.

But then again ROI has a PR system for national elections and they seem to have a deep interest in politics whether national, world, or EU.

Bloody FPTP is absolutely stifling any interest in politics.

How exactly is giving an equal voice not appropriate when the result was 52/48?

FWIW I got pretty tired myself of seeing Farage out there because IMO there were far better advocates for Leave than him and I agree that he was overused. The reality of it was that 5 years ago + he was making the argument when almost nobody else was.

Also you have yet to answer my point about QT panels overall, saying Farage was on lots (he was) does not answer the point about panel composition.

Labour Amendment

labour.org.uk/press/labour-tables-amendment-meaningful-vote-prevent-no-deal-brexit/

•	Reject Theresa May’s bad Brexit deal because it fails to protect jobs and living standards, workers’ rights and . environmental standards – or provide sufficient guarantees on national security

•	<strong>Prevent the chaos of the UK crashing out of the EU without a deal</strong>

•	Keep all options on the table to protect the UK from a no deal scenario, <span class="italic">with a general election as the best outcome for the country</span>

< Corbyn really eager to be PM. Grim that our choice is Dumb or Dumber >

Adam Payne@adampayne26

Conservative peer Lord Willets says Brexit poses an existential threat to the Conservative party.
“The future of the party depends on appealing to the younger generations.
Brexit jeopardises that.”

But prettybird all the good UK MEPs were probably too busy working whilst the Kippers and Hannan all had shed loads of time on their hands. There as only so much time you can fill by putting out little British flags round the EP desks and not turning up to committee meetings.

Anyway I’m still claiming Mairead as a pro Europe MEP because she is really good.

Buteo

DG re the shopping centres thingy, didn't the BoE say that in the event of no deal , commercial property could/would plummet 48% ?

Warehousing will hold up for a few months
Office will lag because of lease terms
Retail is already on its knees
Food retail will be the hardest hit (supplies / staff issues alone)

frumpety Yes, that 48% is in my post upthread on the BoE forecast - the one with the scary graph

Stephen Kinnock@SKinnock

Support is growing among backbenchers and May's cabinet for Norway Plus.

Plenty in Parliament are willing to work together in the national interest to reject May's My Deal vs No Deal bluff and send her back to Brussels to negotiate a Brexit which can reunite our divided country.

Just catching up. I am fed up with the ‘decision of the British people’ mantra. Listen to us now please.....
I have started a Brexit Box of food in my shed

That'll be the finger-lickin' Kentucky Fried Rats then ?

Plenty in Parliament are willing to work together in the national interest to reject May's My Deal vs No Deal bluff and send her back to Brussels to negotiate a Brexit which can reunite our divided country.

Er .. ?!?!?!?!?!

Boris Johnson is facing accusations of hypocrisy 😱
after a letter leaked to The Times revealed that he gave his reluctant blessing to checks on trade between Great Britain and Northern Ireland while he was foreign secretary

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c5012976-f0ff-11e8-8c84-29b2667b0b46

It comes after he flaunted his unionist credentials in an address to the DUP conferencece_,^
suggesting that such checks would be unconscionable.

The Times has seen a three-page letter from Mr Johnson to Theresa May in February
addressing Foreign Office work to try and explore solutions to the Northern Ireland border question,
in which he said that checks between the province and the mainland might have to be considered.

The DUP argues that any checks in effect impose a border in the Irish Sea.

< A pity this wasn't leaked just as he was giving his speech at the DUP conference. Entertaining to watch him be first cheered and then tarred & feathered by the DUP >

DG I assume / hope they mean a quick trip to Brussels to replace "CU" with "Norway++" in the WA.
However, if Corbyn's been at the jam again ....

I suspect Barnier has had the draft WA for Norway++ all ready for months, locked in the Commission safe

It would probably require 3-4 years negotiations to adapt the EEA / EFTA template to all our needs.
That would obviously have to be during transition period after Brexit

Not just QT:

Matthew O'Toolee@MatthewOToole2*

... when was the last time a non-DUP politician from Northern Ireland received a substantial interview slot on a major UK outlet?

Barnier / the Commission has said no changes to the WA unless the UK drops some of it red lines

Which of course Norway++ does

Even now, they have not yet said this is the only deal there can be, just that they are not renegotiating this particular WA, which is based on a CU

and I doubt if there would be "negotiating",
just signing the Norway++ draft WA that Barnier has tucked away in his smalls drawer at the Commisiion.

Quick question to those who know.

What is the difference between Norway with pluses (+) compared with the current Withdrawal Agreement?

I am presuming UK will have to pay into the EU, and have modified free movement and a free trade agreement with CU ....or something.

What is the effing point of all this please. I know the posters here are not the Government, but there ain't nothing coming from them apart from bluff and bluster.

Would really like to know.