Westministenders: The One Where We Finally Get A Leadership Challenge?

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Tick tick tick.

What do we think?

Yes? No?

Another week of wtf-ing at British politics.

GE with no party majority therefor requiring cross party coalition?

Would the rest of the EU allow us to pause leaving in that case, since it would be evidence that circumstances had changed.

Thomasinaa - at least we have a pro-EU party to vote for and don't have to thole the horrific choice of pro-Brexit Conservative Party or a pro-unicorns-and-imaginary-deal-that-passes-the-6-tests Labour Party

And iirc, Scotland could be self-sufficient in meat if we can't export any We might gave to get used to some new and unusual cuts though

And all the while, those across the water (which isn't very far you know, thanks to a Brexit secretary) are thinking 'What the F%ck are they doing'.

We all knew that our dear PM has a thorough dislike of EU citizens, however I think today she's outdone herself!
EU citizens can no longer "jump the queue". Ha! What a choice of words, which suggests something so fundamentally un-British, positively incompatible with British values and culture, rude and inconsiderate. I am fucking fuming!

Owen Bennett @ owenjbennet
Apparently some confusion over whether @MarcusFysh has put a letter in. People have asked him, but he’s being koi about it.

Oh dear.

Sorry DGR - I read "He's not the Messiah, nor ever was." as .....

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"

It's about the correct level of our politics at the moment

The British establishment have lost the plot over identity, be it political identity, national identity, gender identity, get rich quick identity, wreck the economy identity, I am right identity, gender identity, insert other types of identity that divide so a few can conquer!

Did we ever discover the name of the unlikely cabinet minister pushing identity politics?

@prettybird , I also read it like that. Light relief.

@prettybird, @bellinisurge

It was intentional ...

I'm afraid I think the WA WILL get through. I think people know no one would vote for Jeremy Corbyn in a GE; and the line-up of possible May replacements is just so unappealing.

Maybe people will see things clearly, like scales falling from their eyes?
OK, point taken I'm out to lunch!

I think people know no one would vote for Jeremy Corbyn in a GE;

They weren't supposed to be voting for him last time, but sufficient numbers did to make May lose her majority. I honestly think we just can't say.

I'm afraid I think the WA WILL get through. I think people know no one would vote for Jeremy Corbyn in a GE; and the line-up of possible May replacements is just so unappealing

Sorry - haven’t had time to read everything

Why does the fact that our current batch of senior politicians are useless and self-serving mean that the WA will have to get through?

I think people know no one would vote for Jeremy Corbyn in a GE

Yet another example of how British politics is broken. We treat it like a presidential system and ignore the fact that we are only choosing our local representative. Although given the below an-IQ-of-50 level of debate after 2010, it's clear that no one in the UK understands this at all.

Arguably, it's one of the reasons politics is so abysmal in the UK.

Talkstotrees, because I think a lot of MPs in Leave-voting areas are just too scared not to vote it through. I keep reading abut MPs saying what they hear from their constituents is 'Get on with it', with the unspoken second half of that sentence being 'at any cost.'

And no one wants a no-deal. The more bad news about no-deal comes out, the more MPs are being railroaded into voting through May's proposed deal as the lesser of two evils.

I think we need to see more about what No Deal actually means so that the swivel eyed loons can sit in their corner frothing and people start walking in the opposite direction and back to sanity. Even if sanity these days is an imperfect withdrawal agreement that no one likes.

Thanks Nikita. That is very depressing.

I spent my Saturday encouraging local people to contact our MP.

If Corbyn has spent all this time thinking he could negotiate a better deal, why hasn't he told us what that deal would consist of? Apparently it would be as good as being in the EU. But would be completely out of the EU. Which the EU has made clear from the outset is impossible. He wants hard Brexit, despite leading a party that is largely in favour of staying in the EU, and he is helping the Tories to achieve it. Just own up to it.
I really really really cannot wait for the Labour party to get rid of that bastard.

He's an old school "changing society is worth breaking a few [million] eggs" politician.
Didn't work out too well in the Soviet Union.

Quietrebel

Quite agree about May's stupid "can't jump the queue" comments. What a dumb line to take. Just when I had a bit of sympathy for her in her unenviable position, she goes and says something like this and leaves me feeling she can go to hell.

The red shirt Marionettes include Corbyn, they want to be a combination of Stalinist Nazis for some reason . Communists who push identity politics religious beliefs and conspiracy theories over Marxism class based ideology, whilst condemning monotheistic religions aren't going to let go of Corbyn. Labour will lose the next general election and once again be happy seals clapping and behaving as if they won - again.

I assume the new political party will appear post Brexit?

Talkstotrees, sorry, I know. I just feel more and more despairing about it all.

He's an old school "changing society is worth breaking a few [million] eggs" politician. Didn't work out too well in the Soviet Union.

Stalin was quite happy to downsize the Soviet population in pursuit of himself socialism.

Well "socialism" really.

I've been re-reading "The Communist Manifesto" (had to read at a long time ago when I studying Russian at Uni) as ds wanted me to check over his essay on How useful is Marx’s theory of history as outlined in the Communist Manifesto for explaining the occurrence of the Bolshevik revolution in 1917? before he handed it in (he's doing PIR at Uni and is doing 20th Century European History as one of his "extra" 1st year subjects - having not studied History beyond 2nd year at school).

It's really struck me just how Marxist Corbyn and McDonnell are: they really are trying to foment the "Revolution" and breakdown of the current bourgeois/capitalist system so that the proletariat can rise - under their guidance of course