AIBU to think that if the government stopped or paused Brexit, it is highly unlikely there would be massive 'civil' unrest ?

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I have heard people say that if Brexit was stopped or even paused there would be riots and mass civil unrest as a result. I honestly don't think there would be, I know a lot of people would be annoyed or angry.

Would any leave voter on here seriously consider rioting ?

If anyone had said back in 2016 that, less then 5 months before Brexit, we would still have no deal and no idea whether we would get one, that we would be on our third Brexit minister with other cabinet members resigning at an unprecedented rate, and the PM apparently on the brink of a No Confidence vote, we would have been told that that was Project Fear.

Exactly why is this bloke my hero? It wasn't me who quoted him.

1tisILeClerc - why would manufacturers up sticks and walk out?

For firms like the Japanese, the UK gave them an entree into the rest of the EU. Without it they may just as well move to Germany or France.
Given that there is overproduction of cars in the EU, why not just pull out of the UK when the next re-tooling is due?

At worst a slightly longer form may need to be filled out.
In my very first job I found out that what was a two minute job for one form, soon multiplied into a whole days work when there were a couple of hundred of them to be completed.

Peregrina :- Well the new EU-Japan trade deal will do away with tariffs and most other barriers. What effect will that have on Japanese car plants? Why would the Japanese relocate UK plants to the EU when they can just as well relocate back to Japan?

"In my very first job I found out that what was a two minute job for one form, soon multiplied into a whole days work when there were a couple of hundred of them to be completed."

Now there's a candidate for automation if I ever saw one. Besides it's not as if more people couldn't have been hired to clear them in parallel if there had been any need for it. No doubt speed wasn't of the essence and thus only one office junior was assigned the task.

{ Well the new EU-Japan trade deal will do away with tariffs and most other barriers. What effect will that have on Japanese car plants? Why would the Japanese relocate UK plants to the EU when they can just as well relocate back to Japan?}
The EU -Japanese trade deal is for the EU, the UK will be out of it. The Japanese chose the UK, Sunderland as it had a suitable workforce and good ship access to take finished cars to mainland Europe, tariff free.
Out of the CU/SM the point of being in the UK loses it's value rapidly.
Your failure to understand how things work is mildly concerning.

Shreddedbanksy - I am aware that the UK doesn't have it's own trade deals because it's been under the EU's control all these years.

"That means that when we leave the EU, all pre-existing trade deals will become invalid and need to be renegotiated" - This is just plainly wrong. All of those deals can and will be honoured by the UK and third parties after we leave the EU. Just look at what happened when Czechoslovakia split into the Czech Republic and Slovakia, all treaties signed as the legal entity called Czechoslovakia were applied to the new entities of Czech Republic and Slovakia. It's called the Vienna Convention. All current parties to EU trade deals could lodge complaints at the WTO if both the EU and the UK don't honour those deals.

"The EU's MFN clauses may also negatively affect any future trade deals the UK signs with non-EU countries." - I'm really not sure what you're saying here. Did you mean the WTO's MFN clauses? If so then you are wrong. FTAs trump MFN.

Outside
You seem to have a preoccupation with being 'under control'.
Are you locked in a shed or something?
The UK negotiates trade deals as part of the EU team and has a say in what is discussed.

1tisILeClerc - it is you and your Remainer pals on here who fail to understand business and economics, preferring emotive ejaculations about how the UK will be punished because it dares to leave the EU.
Regarding the Japanese and the car industry: Currently Japanese car makers have 16 research and development centres, and 14 factories, inside the EU employing 34,000 people directly and supporting another 127,000 jobs. In the UK they have 3 plants. Why set up in the UK when the extra cost of shipping the cars exported from UK to EU isn't helpful. There are other economic factors at work here which aren't going to be particularly hindered by a small tariff (not that there will be one).

Honda will import the two SUVs it sells in Europe, the CR-V and the HR-V, from Japan to help boost capacity utilization at factories in its its home market.

Honda had planned to build the next-generation CR-V compact SUV for Europe in Ontario, Canada, starting in September 2018. The current European model is built in Swindon, England.
The Japanese automaker said last November it would focus Ontario production on supplying North American instead of capitalizing on a new free-trade agreement between Canada and the European Union.
Future CR-Vs for Europe will be built only in Japan. The automaker also will stop exporting the HR-V subcompact SUV to Europe from Mexico when the model is face-lifted in 2019. Production will move to Yorii, Japan.

Well look at that, the Japanese were going to export cars from Canada to supply the EU market but are now not going to, even with a new FTA between the two countries. Also Japan currently supplies the EU market with cars exported from Mexico. Again it's going to stop this and move production to where? Not the EU but back to Japan. Well blow me down! Could that be anything to do with the new EU-Japan FTA? Yes, that and the fact that the Japanese want to make use of spare capacity in it's domestic plants.

So you can see there are many, many variables at work in these decisions and the one thing they are not guided by is some butt-hurt Remainer emotion about being in a supra-national club.

1tisILeClerc - "You seem to have a preoccupation with being 'under control'.
Are you locked in a shed or something?
The UK negotiates trade deals as part of the EU team and has a say in what is discussed."
Any EU trade deal has to take account of 28 potentially differing vested interests. Whatever comes out of any deal is very unlikely to be to the best interest of any single one of those 28 members but rather a compromise which is almost certainly a sub-optimal economic outcome for each of the 28.

I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I'm obsessed with control. That sounds like projection to me.

Oh yes, automation - not always reliable when information has to be checked before the said two minutes work has to be added. And yes, another junior can be set on, but it still is the same amount of work. But never mind me, I only had 40 years work experience, I can't know anything.

ShreddedBanksy - Thanks for the link to the document. It doesn't support your argument however. Nice try.

You are going to look silly when, after Brexit, all of the current deals will continue. Of course nothing can be signed now because we are part of the EU. One thing is certain, trade isn't going to stop and in the interim all current deals will continue. Do you really think exporters in the RoW will suddenly stop their products leaving their countries for the UK? Don't you think that might upset their businesses a bit? They will not care one iota that the UK is now a separate entity from the EU. The goods will still be loaded onto the boat and it will set sail for the UK and they will receive payment for them, and vice versa for goods being exported from the UK.
Let me say it again, companies and people trade, not countries.

On top of everything else the first fundamental truth is that you do not need a trade deal in order to trade.

Peregrina - once upon a time books were written out painstakingly by monks using ink on vellum. Today they are not.

t will set sail for the UK and they will receive payment for them, and vice versa for goods being exported from the UK.
How will they agree on a price if the agreements aren't rolled over? How do you know they will? What makes you so sure? And even if they do, what makes all of this ridiculous pointless exercise better than what we have now, and don't quote me platitudes like 'control', 'sovereignty', 'control of borders'.

Rolling over existing agreements when the current ones include agreed quotas to the whole bloc? How will they be untangled and how long will it take? How does this fit with your 'it will just carry on' scenario?

We will see how right you are soon OutsideTheGarden - just because you did economics once, you seem to think you know it all. Why was Theresa May so keen to get some sort of withdrawal agreement, if it's all going to carry on exactly as before?

Outside
You can't even read.
I WAS a remainer but now think for the sanity of Europe that the UK should leave. You are typifying the 'little Englander F%ck the foreigners' attitude that has prompted this mess.
You appear to have done a little homework on Nissan, a start I suppose.
You realise that they have plants across the world and that overall production in the worldwide downturn that is going on outside Brexit means that although as with German car manufacturing in the UK, if the finances don't look good they could and would shut the doors one morning and walk away. As you say, 127,000 jobs depend on that plant, No deal or a bad deal (anything a bit removed from the draft agreement where CU/SM is maintained) puts a massive question mark over their jobs. Significant falls in the Pound will reduce demand for new cars within the UK, putting further incentive for manufacturers to review what they make and where.

First rule of Brexit fight club - make statements as fact, do not support said statement with fact

You are going to look silly when, after Brexit, all of the current deals will continue. Of course nothing can be signed now because we are part of the EU. One thing is certain, trade isn't going to stop and in the interim all current deals will continue

Says who ?

Of course trade will continue, whatever happens.
The wolves are salivating at the prospect and can't wait.

@OutsideInTheGarden

You still haven't answered my question.

How are you going to withdraw your consent to be governed if the 2016 referendum is overturned by another democratic vote? What have you got planned?

Yes, trade will continue, but whether it's on the same terms is the part which is highly debatable.

Can we have a musical interlude, I do love this one.

Seems WTO isn't so great.

www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-08-09/wto-rules-are-no-panacea-for-the-pain-of-brexit

1tisILeClerc - I don't say any such thing about foreigners. Why would I since I am married to one? Also I am the child of an Irish immigrant, hence I can have an Irish passport if I wish 😊 as can my children, although they already have French ID cards, so none of us will lose our FoM 😁. I certainly won't bother with an Irish passport though as you don't need the 'advantage' of EU FoM to work anywhere in the world. I know this because I have worked abroad, family members currently work (and live) in the USA, China, Hong Kong, Australia and probably quite a few more places if I could be arsed to recall. If you have useful, in demand skills, the world is your oyster.
I think that's what separates many Leave voters from Remain voters, some of us are far more world-wise and don't need looking after by nanny EU.