to ask if anyone else is a bit puzzled about what's going on with Brexit

[ElfinStardust]

because I bloody well am!

Have I got the following right:
We're told the Withdrawal Agreement is 95% agreed.

but
Northern Ireland is the sticking point.
The EU don't like Theresa May's proposed solution. (Is that Chequers?)
Most of the Tories don't like TM's proposed solution, nor do Labour, SNP, the DUP. Good to see our esteemed representatives united on something
but
They don't seem to like the EU's proposal either. Everyone is going to vote against everything which will lead to No Deal = catastrophe.

Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit can't be stopped. Keir Starmer says it can Good to see HM Opposition united

I'm no catastrophiser but time really is running out if we want a Withdrawal Agreement in place before 29th March.

So WTAF is going on and how is it going to be resolved?

@EvaReady - live in NW England and an old. Violence from NI definitely does not stop at the Irish Sea.

Am old rather than an old.
Although I am an old ....

judging from Brexit journalist on BBC this morning he says he is unable to say how what is going to be decided or what kind of deal is expected - if he cant figure it out what hope have we got!

mumsastudent Yes that report was laughable, well it would be if the situation weren't so depressing. He tied himself into knots and had no clue what he was actually saying.

For students of the Irish border (although, as Andrew Maxwell rather sharply pointed out on a show recently, it's not the Irish border. It's the British border. 'We'd be happy to get to the top of the island - it's you Brits that put the border there ....' )

(Well worth watching properly, when/if the BBC reshow it ....)

@DGRossetti Brilliant!

Morning, everyone. Just letting you know we're going to move this thread over to our Brexit topic now, where we think it will sit better.

AIBU to ask what is going on with MN?

•Thread about a DH moving out- why doesn't that get moved to Relationships?
• Thread about the Mother of a ' naughty' child. Why does this get moved to parenting?
• Thread about a dog yet it doesn't get moved to in the doghouse.

It's only leaving the EU that gets moved. It's weird.

AIBU to ask what is going on with MN?

Quis solvit fistulatorem istum ?

Shhhhhh, someone might notice.

forum neutrum est, none?

I think MNHQ are planning a big teatowel to put over the M20 roadworks so no one can see them.

Another AIBU thread's on its way over..

Was just saying to DH this morning 'In the future, there will be an A level History question - "Why did Britain carry on with its plan to leave the EU once it became clear the results would be catastrophic?" '

In any normal time, once it became clear that something was likely to cause the break up of the union and the crash of the pound (as a starter) the government would be doing everything possible to prevent it happening.

But no, let's carry on leading the country to disaster, eh?

I'm no more or less puzzled than those 'in charge' of Brexit seem to be...

@HebeMumsnet
Please could you explain why MNHQ is so scared about leaving Brexit threads on Chat and AIBU ?
(in the way that threads on all other topics get left there)

Are you bowing to political pressure to stop us openly discussing the most important issue for a generation ?

May I invite everyone to speculate how long a Labour government would have been left to preside over a spectacular dogs breakfast like this? It wouldn't have lasted out 6 months before the Tories rode in to rescue us, aided by media moguls and money makers accompanied by shouts of Traitors!. Which leads me to believe that either they dont know what they're doing or, more likely, they do. Which is a concern.

Question 2: Compare and contrast the UK in 2019 and lemmings.
Mumsnet is a commercial enterprise and talking about Brexit might scare the advertisers.

Posted this question on site stuff if anyone wants to chip in about them moving Brexit threads from AIBU.

ElfinStardust
I've commented on your other thread. I agree it's annoying that other threads are allowed to stay on the busy boards but Brexit ones always get moved.

Perhaps we can't discuss it in public because the people have spoken yada yada.

Alternatively, maybe it's best kept with all the other womens talk, in the kitchen ?

(Incoming in 3..2..1 )

The Tories called it. JC's stance was 'remain'. Doesn't matter what he thinks personally, at the time he said 'remain and reform' because we can't leave the U.K. to the mercy of the conservatives dismantling workers and human rights. The Tories have had 2 years to come up with a workable solution. They can't. It's fucked. There are no good trade deals to be had, our nhs is going to receive no more money. It fact it's probably fucked now due to the curbing of 'immigrants'. If JC suddenly turned round and started campaigning for a second ref you'd get everyone moaning he's not 'democratic' or representing the Will of the people. He can't win. The reason I voted remain is because the m'f'kr Tories were in charge and I don't trust them as far as I can throw them! So fuck off blaming labour and JC. They didn't call it. Cameron did and the fuckwits had no plan. And still don't now. No one was ever going to see any benefit and if you think you were, you're deluded

The deal probably is 95% done. It's just that the 5% is the impossible bit!
You can get to 95% of the speed of light...
I am 95% immortal...
Etc...

The deal probably is 95% done.

I believe it was Lloyd George who noted how dangerous it was to try to cross a gorge in two steps ...