to ask if anyone else is a bit puzzled about what's going on with Brexit

[ElfinStardust]

because I bloody well am!

Have I got the following right:
We're told the Withdrawal Agreement is 95% agreed.

but
Northern Ireland is the sticking point.
The EU don't like Theresa May's proposed solution. (Is that Chequers?)
Most of the Tories don't like TM's proposed solution, nor do Labour, SNP, the DUP. Good to see our esteemed representatives united on something
but
They don't seem to like the EU's proposal either. Everyone is going to vote against everything which will lead to No Deal = catastrophe.

Jeremy Corbyn says Brexit can't be stopped. Keir Starmer says it can Good to see HM Opposition united

I'm no catastrophiser but time really is running out if we want a Withdrawal Agreement in place before 29th March.

So WTAF is going on and how is it going to be resolved?

So why did we have a referendum if it was known we couldn't leave without breaking the GFA?

The advisory referendum, you mean ? There was no law that said any government had to carry it out. A government fit to govern would have gone off and carried out enormous amounts of research into how to proceed with the issue. A bunch of incompetent, self serving thick career politicians didn't. And now we are all caught up in it. Some more that others admittedly.

No-one’s going to trust the Lib Dem’s again.

This mess is not of the LibDem's making. This is a true blue Tory clusterfuck.

DGRossetti So why are the government/parliament still pressing ahead with leaving ?

DGRossetti So why are the government/parliament still pressing ahead with leaving ?

well, looking at my decision matrix, it can only be because they are : A bunch of incompetent, self serving thick career politicians

Not much help now. But worth tucking into the old memory banks for when it's needed in future ....

@DisappearingGirl has it.
I prefer option 2 but I would settle for option 1 if I had to.

It was known we couldn't leave without breaking the GFA but ignored as Project Fear. I certainly banged on about it here and in real life prior to the referendum .
But hey, I get my Irish passport now so tough shit.

This mess is not of the LibDem's making. This is a true blue Tory clusterfuck

100%

Nope, not just the Tories to blame.

Then who bell? UKIP ? - but they weren't in power.

Let me see... as well as the usual cast of Tories...in order of responsibility

1. Anyone who voted Leave (you can read as well as me and you picked this?)
2. Corbyn for not bothering to show up for Remain prereferendum and not bothering to fight against this ridiculous nonsense post referendum
3. Anyone in Labour who eggs him on.

Why did we have a referendum? I honestly think most people thought it was just advisory. That included the the Minister for Europe, David Livington, who said in the Committee stage of the European Referendum Bill "The referendum is advisory."
hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2015-06-16/debates/15061658000001/europeanunionreferendumbill

Remember that Dominic Raab

• the Brexit Secretary and a long standing Leave campaigner only discovered that Dover is critical for UK trade this week.

THe gits who got us in the mess are rich and do not care who they damage in their search for rainbow unicorns and a return to empire

1. We can't without legal means solve the Irish Border solution. Plus ANY way of doing it could kick off conflict again.

Well apart from our perfectly reasonable and sensible suggestion of an electronic border which works perfectly well elsewhere in the EU but was rejected by the EU because they have preferred to use NI and the troubles as negotiation leverage and a political football.

How anybody can look at how they've behaved over the negotiations and that awful drunk Junker having to be held up by two men, staggering all over the place and falling up steps at the NATO ceremony yesterday and think staying in the EU is a good thing I don't know.

Juncker has been criticised by an independent EU overseer this year for corruption and breaking the EUs own rules and he just said it was of no consequence and he could appoint who he liked.

All the Brexit cheerleaders who say Trump is undignified but give a free pass to a man who went to the centenary ceremony so drunk he had to be held up by two men are hypocrites.

And anybody who believes Macron's claim that an EU army is to defend against the US and Russia is a credulous fool. The EU does not have the money, resources or capability to build an army which could defend against either of them. The only possible use of any army they could build up would be to subdue their own people.

We won't have a chance to leave through the ballot box again. Next time if we try to leave we'll end up looking down the barrel of a gun.

Can you tell me where else the EU has an electric border with a non-EU nation?

How would this electric border deal with the movement of people?

Are you feeling ok DTS? You seem a little overwrought.

Where is this magic electronic non border? Looked really hard and can't see it. Even lovely Switzerland which has some sort of evil arrangement with the EU but stays out of it doesn't have a friction free border.
Any. And I mean ANY infrastructure on the NI border won't last 5 minutes. Border in the sea is the only option but those DUP loons won't have it.

Nobody banked on the poorer areas of the UK voting Leave. They're all too bloody busy clucking like chickens in the Westminster coop that they forgot about the rest of the UK and how it's actually inhabited by, you know, people 🙄

Mind you apparently the the nationalist pop in N Ireland has been steadily growing and a border referendum is being talked about more and more - so there's a solution to the end of the backstop - a united Ireland - Arlene will be thrilled! - so much for the Conservative and UNIONIST Party....the Union is under threat via Brexit - how long will the Scots stay put?

So why did we have a referendum if it was known we couldn't leave without breaking the GFA?

Because

1. David Cameron thought it would neutralise the UKIP threat to the Tories,
2. He thought it would shut up the headbanger wing in his own party, and
3. He never dreamed that the result would be to leave

And having fucked it all up, he fucked off to his fucking shepherd's hut, leaving everyone else to pick up the pieces. Fuckwit.

Imo, putting party before country like that is one of the worst things a PM can do. Apart from taking us into an illegal was (yes, Blair, I'm looking at you).

Why are politicians such a useless bunch of tossers?

And the "Westminster coop" without being bound by Europe is really going to care about the poorer areas, I mean they are fucking over the poor as it is - it will only get worse, imagine thinking that tossers like Rees Mogg and Johnson would ever give a shit about anyone else.

so there's a solution to the end of the backstop - a united Ireland

No objection from this English dwelling citizen, if that's the will of the people of Northern Ireland and RoI

By the same token, if the good people of Scotlandshire wish to be an independent country ... I wish them the best of luck.

TM doesn’t have the votes in Westminister for any version of Brexit or a new referendum.
I don’t see how the UK government can hope to do any deal when they can’t agree among themselves what they want.
Complex negotiations need nuanced outcomes and no one in Westminster seems capable of nuance.

How anybody can look at how they've behaved over the negotiations and that awful drunk Junker having to be held up by two men, staggering all over the place and falling up steps at the NATO ceremony yesterday and think staying in the EU is a good thing I don't know.

The NATO summit was in July, nothing to do with yesterday’s armistice commemorations. And you don’t actually know if he was drunk or suffering from sciatica.

Juncker is one man, who steps down next year.

Poll the people of Northern Ireland and see what they want. That might solve the problem very quickly if they don’t want to remain part of the UK