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Brexiteers, if there was a 'People's Vote' how would you vote?

436 replies

millsbynight · 09/11/2018 18:17

For me? I'd flatly vote No Deal.

Would others vote to stay in the EU or agree to Teresa May's deal?

Everyone I know who voted Leave would still vote Leave (the same goes for those who voted Remain) so I'd be really curious to see what the outcome of a 2nd referendum would generate.

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bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 19:35

@ADisrespectfulWoman , does everyone you disagree with work for the EU? Sounds like you are a bit paranoid. You should see someone professional about that.
I'm old. I remember life preEU. I have parents who lived through WWII. That isn't some theme park for me. I have lots of disagreement with the EU but I know we are better off and more likely to thrive as part of one of the biggest markets in the world.
Living in BillyNoMatesland has no appeal.

PortiaCastis · 16/11/2018 19:35

I'm type 1 diabetic and getting very worried over this shitstorm, why anyone would vote for medicine shortages is beyond me it's actually distressing to think what could happen to me and other insulin users

WitchyMcWitchface · 16/11/2018 19:39

Leave and get a move on.

bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 19:41

Isn't that like saying, jump off a cliff and get a move on?

Pebblesandfriends · 16/11/2018 19:42

Remain. No question.

TheElementsSong · 16/11/2018 20:07

What, specifically, are we talking about when we say "No Deal"?

A true No-Dealer would be skipping about with joy at the thought of planes grounded, food shortages and lack of medicines because that is genuinely what the government's own impact papers are telling us will happen.

If somebody says "No Deal" but is expecting an agreement to be made for flights, or that concerns about lack of food/medicine are unfounded because somehow things will get waved through by kindly customs people, that means kind of by definition we've made Deals.

bellinisurge · 16/11/2018 20:13

Having watched and listened to a lot of Parliament yesterday, am pretty certain that it would not let us plunge out with No Deal. More certain than I was before.
No deal just sounds like a silly flouncy comment from people bored with tricky stuff and not prepared to be grown ups. Oddly enough, I think there are enough sensible MPs to avoid No Deal. Even if it means a cross party thing. I was surprised by the cross party noises I heard yesterday.

ADisrespectfulWoman · 16/11/2018 20:35

bellini, no paranoia here, I merely asked a question. Why read so much into it?

I remember very hard times too, in my early years, as I grew up and as an adult. I saw my grandparents and parents dreams, and the dreams of my friends and neighbours in my hometown; dreams of a better life, of hard work paying off, dreams of opportunity and hope. I saw them grow in the early years, only to disappear as the EU changed. I saw those dreams shattered. Heartbreaking.

Believe me when I say I thoroughly researched the positives and negatives of EU membership before I cast my vote in the referendum. I decided on leave. Nothing that has happened since has changed my decision. I am happy to leave with no deal. We can do this.

At the moment, the people in my area still live in 'BillyNoMatesland'. We have done so for decades. At last, we have a chance to change that, and we're doing everything in our power to take it. It doesn't matter to me if the end results of that change happens in my lifetime anymore (although I do believe we will reap the rewards more quickly than anyone thinks), and if hardship ensues for the rest of my life then so be it. That is a price worth paying. It matters to me that our children, grandchildren and future generations have a chance in the world.

The world is a big place - I want future generations to be part of it, free of EU shackles.

KennDodd · 16/11/2018 20:59

@TheElementsSong

Problem is Leavers just don't believe the reports, they are anti expert. I remember I posted the government's report on line a while ago about the impact of 'no deal' on the aviation industry, this stated that without a deal, planes WILL NOT FLY. A Leaver just replied 'yes they will' i asked if theyre read the report and was told 'no, I dont need to read it to know planes won't be grounded'. What can you do with this level of wilful ignorance?

Paddybare · 16/11/2018 21:03

Absolutely no question, remain. I’ve tried to find the silver lining in leaving, I really have, but I just can’t fathom how in any way it’s going to be a good thing.

Ditto66 · 16/11/2018 21:09

Remain.

Moussemoose · 16/11/2018 21:18

The country has been screwed over by austerity not the EU.

Well done on selling your kids down the river because you 'hope' it will get better. Posters say they researched and they have brilliant reasons but won't explain them.

Put your money where you mouth is. What reason? Why will it be better? What will people gain with this fiasco?

You don't know do you?

It's just words and slogans and total fucking nonsense.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 21:23

ADisrespectfulWoman
For a moment or two you were making some sense but then killed it by suggesting the EU is stopping you or your family's future.
The ability to go on to university (Erasmus and other programmes) or other development or work anywhere in Europe is facilitated by the EU and despite being in the EU you are not actually restricted in going anywhere else in the world. As an EU citizen you have a RIGHT to move anywhere in Europe practically 'at will'.
Any 'laws' or regulations emanating from the EU are scrutinised and voted for by UK MPs.
The fact there are down at heel places in the UK is ENTIRELY down to UK government (of all flavour) policy and has nothing to do with the EU. There would be a massive outcry if 'Brussels' demanded that the Westminster government poured a few billion into improving the far South West or Northern cities that have been largely abandoned when traditional industries closed. Miners and steelworkers being made jobless was not the EU, but partly the company owners not moderrnising to keep production profitable but more that China and other big countries can undercut workers wages. When the market price for steel is significantly lower than it costs to make, you have to stop.
You say that the UK will reap benefits faster than predicted, please say where this prosperity might come from when the UK is about all spent in natural resources (at least at a competitive level) and by being out of the EU the High Tech activities the UK is good at, will be gone to the EU or further abroad where there is a friction free market.
UK workers will be competing for work (in terms of wages) with Bangladesh and China, actually worse as tariffs will make the UK even less competitive. If your pet is killed in an accident, you can be as sad and mournful as you like but it won't come back. Yes the EU could do some things better, life is always a 'work in progress' but taking your bat and ball home helps nobody.

Coppersulphate · 16/11/2018 21:27

No deal. Brexiteer here.

Peregrina · 16/11/2018 21:37

Having watched and listened to a lot of Parliament yesterday, am pretty certain that it would not let us plunge out with No Deal. More certain than I was before.

Only because whoever allows that to happen will wreck the credibility of the Tory party for a long time to come, as well as destroying their own political reputation. Got to get their priorities right!!

LewisMam · 16/11/2018 22:09

My neighbour was a fisherman before we joined the EU. Our fishing waters were basically handed to the EU, causing his business to go bankrupt because due to drastically reduced quotas he wasn’t allowed to fish enough to make a profit. He voted Leave because he wants our fishing waters back for future generations. When the media reported that fishing towns on the EU side of the North Sea were complaining that reduced access to UK waters would decimate their towns and businesses, he said “Good, it’s time they had a taste of what they did to us in the 70s”.

People have all sorts of reasons for having voted Leave. And most of those reasons haven’t changed over the last 2.5 years.

Moussemoose · 16/11/2018 22:12

Do you think leaving the EU will get his fishing rights back?

Will he get what he wants?

LewisMam · 16/11/2018 22:19

I have no idea. I suspect he doesn’t either. He’s just lashing back due to an old grievance. As were many Leave voters. Someone else told me he voted Leave to “hit the rich where it hurts”. People had all sorts of reasons for voting Leave, not all of which were logical.

KennDodd · 16/11/2018 22:26

Maybe he should have written to our representative on the EU fisheries committee to push for reform? One Nigel Farage, he attended only one of the meetings just so he could tell them all what a bunch of tossers they are and as far as I can see the only reason he took that seat was to block it so that nobody could fight for our interests. The added bonus is that he could then come back to fishing communities in the UK and stir up hatred with his lies.

Moussemoose · 16/11/2018 23:13

Just lashing out and causing no end of damage to future generations with no idea about the facts.

Well that's ok then isn't it?

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 23:20

Loss of fishing rights was a subject of negotiation and planning. The UK minister responsible was obviously crap at the job. The minister was as much, if not more at fault than the European fishermen.
Similar arguments exist for all industries, if you want jobs you have to 'fight' for them.

1tisILeClerc · 16/11/2018 23:24

With a 'no deal' Brexit, and if the deregulation that some Tory MPs have suggested UK workers may be 'fighting' for jobs and wages against the workers in Bangladesh and other low wage economies. In the EU wages are at least comparable with European levels.

KennDodd · 17/11/2018 11:13

I think the 'no dealers' on here actually haven't got a clue what 'no deal' means.

bellinisurge · 17/11/2018 13:14

No dealers are just bored, as we all are with it, but are too proud to admit that this pile of shit is the best Leave we could get.

Quietrebel · 17/11/2018 13:39

The world is a big place - I want future generations to be part of it, free of EU shackles.

Very naive. The architects of brexit aren't interested in your freedom by the way. There will be free trade deals with other powers, yes, and they won't give a toss about us. Even if you don't like the EU, how can you want to trade your place at the top table of the biggest trading bloc in the world, with real clout and influence, to go begging to the US and China??

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