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Westministenders: Reality Bytes

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RedToothBrush · 01/11/2018 22:39

Tonight the Corbyn and McDonnell Labour Party supported the Tory Party in improving the tax allowance for higher rate tax payers.

Yes you read that right. Did you even blink?

You've been so conditioned into seeing non existant opposition which seems to go against everything the Labour Party stand for that you no longer are shocked.

That's what 2 and a half years of Brexit has done to you.

You no longer care that Boris Johnson got £14,000 from the Saudis a couple of days before the Khashoggi murder. You know longer care that the former Defence Secretary is employed for £75,000 a year to advise a major Saudi Investor.

You are just happy that Trump hasn't started a war with Iran or North Korea yet. And hasn't started a civil war. (Though he's trying hard and next week is his best opportunity to stir it all up). You aren't surprised to hear that predictions are that the Democrats will fail to make gains in the mid terms.

You've suffered the 4657 story about how Therea May is just about to be challenged for the leadership.

You've heard about the squad set up at the Home Office to clear up all the cases the media get their hands on as the latest burning injustice. You are hearing that EU nationals who have been promised they are 'safe' are being subjected to questions about their right to stay. And you just shrug and say, "Yeah well thats the Home Office for you. The Bastards". And you do mean it, but you are so jaded by it all. And you worry that another 12 months from now, you won't even be interested in another story like that, and the press will stop printing them as they no longer interest the reader. What happens to your friends, your family, or even you then? Who is going to care then?

And then you have today.

A day where you hear that Bannon is being investigated by the Senate Intel Committee, Farage has been upgraded to the FBI's Really Naughty List and Banks has (FINALLY) been refered to the NCA. (We were only speculating on the possibility, on the 26th March...)

And you go 'Ooooooooo maybe there is hope'.

Maybe we COULD remain in the EU and avoid Turnip Soup and wiping your arse with leaves because of the national bog roll shortage. Or at least get a decent deal which suits us as a nation. Maybe, just maybe!

And that lasts for about 2 minutes before you log into twitter and the very first thing you see this:

Tom Newton Dunn @tnewtondunn
Excl: David Cameron tells friends he’d like a return to frontline politics, and fancies Foreign Secretary
www.thesun.co.uk/news/7639377/david-cameron-return-to-politics/

And you let out a high pitched screech as if you are were a dying cat as you remember this is 2018, and it just wants to beat the life out of you.

On the plus side, it shows you do still care enough to think 'Don't let that fucking bastard anywhere near power ever, ever again.'.

Ho hum.

Keep on, keeping on. Don't let the bastards win.
Keep caring. It matters.

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clearsommespace · 07/11/2018 14:54

Brexit preparations in France

www.express.co.uk/news/world/1042122/Brexit-latest-news-France-EU-trade-transport-rights-no-deal/amp

Is the Express implying that this is a snub by an EU country to the UK?

As a British Citizen in France, I'm glad some action is being taken to clarify my situation.

ElenadeClermont · 07/11/2018 15:11

I think the Express limplies that the French Senate snubbed the EU. They are forever going on about Frexit.

ElenadeClermont · 07/11/2018 15:14

I don't care what people think about I still love Tony Blair.

Blair says Brexit can still be stopped - Politics live
www.theguardian.com/politics/blog/live/2018/nov/07/brexit-dup-delivers-brexit-warning-to-may-saying-were-not-afraid-of-general-election-politics-live?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2018 15:17

DEAL OR NO DEAL? KLAXON

Kevin Schofield @PolhomeEditor
BREAKING: Cabinet ministers have been invited to read a copy of the draft Brexit Withdrawal Agreement this afternoon. Emergency Cabinet meeting to sign it off set to happen either tomorrow or Monday, say Whitehall sources.

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Hazardswan · 07/11/2018 15:18

News from our second biggest city

www.birminghammail.co.uk/news/midlands-news/pro-brexit-birmingham-mp-roger-15375834.amp?__twitter_impression=true

Second birmingham MP is calling for a people's vote, he's a leaver himself but his constituents voted remain.

Nice to see politicians outside of London, Wales and Scotland making a stand.

whatwouldscooby thank you Flowers interesting response, we don't know specifics but don't worry Hmm It'd be sound guidance if the call was put out to GPs that they need to prepare patients and write longer prescriptions. I know the gov is still asking patients not to personally stockpile but that advice may change in January - apparently.

Reading through the link... Cake

Hazardswan · 07/11/2018 15:28

klaxon

Either tomorrow or next wk? I assume they'll play pretend sign for next wk so they can drag out the performance of deal making and then keep delaying iykwim.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2018 15:37

Tim Ross @TimRoss_1
BREXIT LATEST: Cabinet ministers are being invited to read the full text of the Withdrawal Agreement in private -- but it doesn't yet include the crucial Irish border backstop

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-07/varadkar-says-deal-this-month-remains-possible-brexit-update?srnd=premium-europe

Just a minor omission then?
Confused

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Hazardswan · 07/11/2018 15:43

If it doesn't include an agreement for the border or customs with Ireland then what's the point???

Are they really this dense? Is Ireland meant to be happy with this level of arrogant ignorance?

Motheroffourdragons · 07/11/2018 15:46

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RedToothBrush · 07/11/2018 15:47

Its a Chocolate Tea Pot Draft.

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BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2018 15:53

red "draft Brexit Withdrawal Agreement "
is this just May's version, or is it all that has been agreed so far with the EU ?
Even if the latter, omitting the Irish backstop makes Cabinet agreement mostly pointless, given that it is the sticking point

Icantreachthepretzels · 07/11/2018 15:53

So Cameron (sort of) plugged remain and the people react against that. Suppose for argument's sake TM attempts a volte face and says " we never said Brexit at any price- this is devastating the economy"

I don't think she would do that volte face though - and it would work in our favour. If we all pretend for a moment (close your eyes and wish very hard) that the clamour from the people and the swing to remain by early November, when it wasn't suppose to happen until mid January, forces the hand of the govt to grant a people's vote:

Then the vote would be between May's deal and remain (not crashing out - because we are pretending and wishing, here). May is going to have to defend her deal - whatever it is, no matter how terrible (and tbf - she is so thick she won't realise it is terrible). In a people's vote - after the past two years - the govt stance has to be 'we should accept the deal and leave.'

So everyone who voted leave, to teach spam faced Dave, a lesson will now vote remain to do the same to the maybot.

And then maybe they will realise that we do not govern by referendum in this country - and that all referendums here (except indie refs for various parts of the UK) are just popularity polls for the prime minister, and they ought to shun them.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2018 15:55

We must remember that Cameron weas a genuine Eurosceptic, who wanted to change the EU back to basically a Common Market
and a smug, arrogant Bullingdon boy to boot

The worst choice to rally people to Remain

clearsommespace · 07/11/2018 16:01

Elenade thanks. Haven't read the Express before. (My phone suggested the article may be of interest.)

DGRossetti · 07/11/2018 16:31

when 80% of people voted for a brexit supporting party.

I've always said that voting Labour would be assumed to be a vote for Brexit.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2018 16:37

I think there must be an element of bootstrapping in this draft deal ... sort of " ... if we can have this then that part of the deal is valid; and if that part of the deal is valid, we can have this ..."

Vaguely reminds me of a student union vote at Uni, where someone pointed out they hadn't got a quorum. So the chairman stood up, and said

"It's come to my attention that this meeting is not properly convened. Could I have a show of hands to indicate that this meeting is now properly convened."

Show of hands

"Motion carried. This meeting is now properly convened".

Yes it happened. I could never work out why student politics was never taken that seriously.

Motheroffourdragons · 07/11/2018 16:44

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Icantreachthepretzels · 07/11/2018 17:19

At the last election anyone who wanted to stop brexit tended to vote for the party which had the best chance of unseating a tory mp - or from keeping a tory mp out.
Considering fptp basically means we have a two party system - it's not surprising that labour were the beneficiaries of that.
That the govt try and pretend that a concerted (and successful) effort to block them from gaining a majority provides them with a mandate to hard brexit by citing the 80% line is a disgusting stamping on the democratic process and an insult to the intelligence of the anti-tory voting electorate.
It will all end up in the inquiry ...

DGRossetti · 07/11/2018 17:24

It will all end up in the inquiry ...

I'm sure the inquiry into the trial of Timothy Evans was also incredibly diligent thorough and conclusive.

woman11017 · 07/11/2018 17:26

Theresa May is 'bluffing' about no-deal Brexit and would not go through with it, Labour's Keir Starmer says

Exclusive: Labour Brexit chief says no British prime minister would subject the country to such catastrophe

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/theresa-may-no-deal-brexit-labour-conservative-keir-starmer-a8622606.html

Ben Bradshaw is saying the same.

What charmed lives these men must have led.

jasjas1973 · 07/11/2018 17:51

Of course neither she nor anyone else would go through with no-deal.

Their very own impact papers state the consequences.

She has form for this, remember "no-deal is better than a bad deal" we now have a desperate search to get any deal at any cost that she can get past the ERG/DUP....why? because she knows a no-deal is a disaster and she ll an the Tories will be forever associated with it.

prettybird · 07/11/2018 17:51

Saw the headline in the Guardian of the Mark Gatiss Interview, "The League of Gentlemen was a premonition of Brexit" and laughed out loud at how truly sad accurate it was Grin

The actual article doesn't have that much about Brexit in it www.theguardian.com/stage/2018/nov/02/mark-gatiss-the-league-of-gentlemen-was-a-premonition-of-brexit - but it does finish off with the corker “Brexit, to me, is like slitting your own throat and going to bed saying: ‘I’ll see how I am in the morning.’ I’m a sickeningly optimistic person and that’s what worries me about how depressed I am about it all. The temptation is to totally disengage because it’s so frightening and debilitating, but if you do that they’ve won.” Sad

DarlingNikita · 07/11/2018 18:01

jasjas, I agree. There will not be a no-deal and all the people taking swings at it are attacking a straw man. No deal has been made, deliberately, into a massive bogeyman so that ANY deal, no matter how shit, will fly because Parliament will fear the spectre of the alternative too much not to vote it through.

borntobequiet · 07/11/2018 18:03

BBC seems to have a new notion “an old-fashioned border” (in Ireland). Or is it common parlance and I’ve missed it previously?
Also on the 6pm news bulletin: how to get electricity from mushrooms.

woman11017 · 07/11/2018 19:03

@J_amesp
Also, to head off any parliament defeats of a Brexit deal or forced amendments, I can easily see May going direct to no deal before the month is out

Patrick has been on the money so far.