To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

[whyispeppainthenightgarden]

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

Op what have you actually done to educate yourself on the implications of a no deal Brexit before starting this thread? The fact that you're saying other countries will surely save us from ourselves by doing what? I can only assume handing us the deal we want? Demonstrates that you really know next to nothing about the subject

Brexit means free movement of stuff will end.

We will reinstate borders with our neighbours.

All the trucks that roll off the ships in Dover etc and just simply drive to a warehouse at the moment will be stopped. And checked. And CONTROLLED!

This is the control Brexiteers wanted back so badly.

This will disrupt the Just in Time distribution system we have.

It's not just insulin that will be held up by our control - it's everything we import.

No one is doing this to us. The UK has done it to ourselves.

It's astonishing some people are so clueless.

Ah ok @GoatWithACoat I’m with you.

Just one of many examples which is frightening me - the potential disruption to medicines. This is being reported now and warnings are coming from our government. Many have prescription medicines they are not allowed or able to ‘stockpile’. Medicines which are essential and which have to be taken not just daily but at the right time etc. What are we supposed to do if/when supplies are disrupted for weeks ? As an adult living in the uk I have never been worried about basic issues like this and I don’t like it one bit. What an absolute mess no matter how we voted or what our views are. An absolute mess.

But organised crime is very happy with no deal

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@GoatWithACoat

Of course if you ve been negatively affected by EU migration then you wont want the status quo.

But the fact is many areas voted leave that haven't seen large inward migration and London that sees amongst the highest rates, voted Remain. Cornwall on the other hand voted Leave, an immigrant EU or any other is a rare sight.

Also 68% of the retired voted Leave, did they lose their jobs or homes? they actually benefited because of more healthcare workers.

EU FOM rules should have been enforced and we should have a contributory benefits system too.

Moving on, the Government has said they'll now be migration from outside the EU on a similar scale, so nothing will change, in fact it will be worse, esp if we cannot enforce our borders.

Just one of many examples which is frightening me - the potential disruption to medicines.

I have a long history of "no deal won't happen" posts on Mumsnet and risk assessment is part of my day job so I'm not prone to hysteria.

For for people whose lives depend on access to medicines with short shelf lives and/or no ready alternatives, then even a small risk to security of supply should be a concern. I am seriously considering spending some money on ensuring that my mum is not in the UK on 29/3.

I think people are also rather missing the point that any Brexit is going to be hugely disruptive to our lives, it is just a matter of by how much.

I'm one of very many who relies on medical supplies made in the EU. I'm stockpiling my stuff but I'm still terrified. My life will be totally shit and I won't be able to work if I don't get my supplies. I'm not hysterical. I'm terrified.

Me too. My OH has a rare form of cancer and relies on daily medication to stay in remission. The medication is imported from the US, with whom we don't currently have a separate, UK-only trade deal and Trump's said he'll only start negotiating one after we've left the EU. What the hell is my OH meant to do if his supplies run out? Take Vitamin C and hope for the best?

The ignorance on this thread is breathtaking. If it wasn't for the fact I'll be too busy worrying about my OH, I'd look forward to coming back on these boards in April and saying "told you so" to everyone moaning about how awful Brexit really is.

@happyhello

That was such a good link you posted I’m going to repeat it

www.docdroid.net/file/download/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf

Well twofingers. I think you might want to do a bit more reading of the numerous Brexit threads then!
Goat - and I think you might take another look at the bit I think you made up, ie: the bit accusing remainers of calling leavers 'thick, racist, lying lowlifes'.
Hyperbole does not help your argument one bit.

Yeah, let's rely on other countries to realise it's not beneficial for them to let us be utterly fucked, because we couldn't work it out ourselves when we voted for this mess.

^This.

OP, you're being very naïve to think other countries will do right by the UK. Why do you think that?

* I can’t see for example if we have no insulin like it’s being suggested that other countries would just go no deal so sod it all the diabetics in the uk can die - because that’s badixslly what is being suggested.*

This kind of thinking really gets to me. There are many many many worse situations for people all over the world (people being locked up in big camps in China, Mass genocide in Rwanda, War in Syria, Civil unrest in Ukraine, Economic meltdown in Greece etc etc etc.

What do we do about those in Britain? Nothing we look, feel bad maybe, possibly donate some money and thank our lucky stars it is not us. That is exactly what other countries will do if we end up not having enough insulin here (or any other number of situations that might cause people to die). Even if they do something, it will take time and many people in this country will suffer in the interim.

The world is not a kind and benevolent place usually, It isn't going to make an exception for us because we are British!!! We need to take care of outselves, not rely on the good will (or otherwise) of other countries to not let us suffer.

We have had a long long period of peace and stability in this country (some of which can be attributed to the EU) and it has made us lazy and complacent . We think it is somehow our inherent right. It isn't we have been lucky as a country and have taken this for granted.

I am not saying that Brexit wil necessarily bring only bad stuff and I really hope things work out OK but but just airily saying ' other countries won't let us suffer' is naive and self-cented in the extreme.

Things could really go badly wrong and many people could be hurt and even die as a result of a no deal Brexit. I really hope not and it is not a certain thing at all but there is definitely a risk of this and anyone who thinks otherwise is living in cloud cuckoo land.

I am hoping that all the preparation and work to get ready being done by companies behind the scenes (and there is a lot going on) will help to make the transition smooth.

I assume that if that happens all the people who accused others of being doom mongers and who did nothing to prepare will say afterwards 'see I said it would be OK'

YABU, OP, it's a shit show. We should all be hysterical. Nothing is sorted and we leave in 6 months. We're heading for a thunderous recession, businesses leaving the UK (not least most of the European banking headquarters in the City of London), the NHS and UK agricultural farming falling apart because we now don't have enough EU workers to fill the jobs, the value of the pound plummeting, reintroduced border controls without the infrastructure or manpower to cope with them, passport controls when we travel anywhere, no scientific or research cooperation across Europe, few foreign students at universities, no EU funding for regional regeneration and so on and so on. I've got two young children and it scares me that I won't be able to provide for them if I lose my job. And trust me, many people will lose their jobs. But never mind, eh, because what we got out of it was... er... not sure actually...

twofingers how long have you been on here? (rhetorical question)

It’s not hyperbole it’s here in black and white on countless Brexi threads!!

As I said, I was on here the week before the vote saying I felt everyone was being too ‘smug’ for want of a better word about remaining because people who would tip the balance are usually dismissed.

My ‘argument’ is that these voices were ignored long enough that they would tip the balance and cause Brexit.

Don’t really need to use hyperbole to prove my sodding argument do I? We’ve now got to live it.

@bumblingbovine49

Great post, bumbling. Why should countries make allowances for us? Because we're a white and rich nation?

Why should countries make allowances for us? Because we're a white and rich nation?

I think it's something like, "DontTheyKnowWhoWeAre???" and if everybody else doesn't bend over backwards and dismantle their own arrangements for our benefit, "Punishment!!Bullying!!"

But the fact is many areas voted leave that haven't seen large inward migration and London that sees amongst the highest rates, voted Remain. Cornwall on the other hand voted Leave, an immigrant EU or any other is a rare sight

To be fair London has a high immigrant population able to vote and Cornwall doesn’t surprise me (I’ll leave that there)

And of course I don’t think all votes were based on anti immigrant rhetoric but I do feel they tipped the balance. Years of government policy that disproportionately negatively affected poorly skilled immigrants and low income communities. Dissenting voices shut down as they were considered uneducated and clueless.

I still feel anger directed at voters. But not as much for the government who engineered it all. The policies, the vote, the propoganda, everything lies at their feet and the those who dismissed the angry voices before it was too late.

Slightly off topic, but can anyone tell me how I can find out if the medicine I am on will potentially be stuck? Can I just ask my pharmacy?

It’s not insulin, it’s psychiatric medication, but nevertheless is very important for me to take on time each day and the withdrawal effects if I miss even a single dose are severe. I have been trying find out if I should try and build up a stockpile but I don’t know where to look/ask?

Thanks

Maidsrus

That was such a good link you posted I’m going to repeat it

Just to point out though, that the guy who wrote it appears to sell domain names for a living - just saying.

Sorry that meant to say ‘I stilll feel people are mainly angry with voters’

OP - I'm a die hard Remained but try my hardest to understand & not fall out with Leavers. People who don't vote & worse people who don't vote & then post viaduct smug threads deserve to burn in Hell.

Slightly off topic, but can anyone tell me how I can find out if the medicine I am on will potentially be stuck? Can I just ask my pharmacy?

Rinoachicken, I would ask your GP first. They may be able to write you an extra prescription in Jan/Feb that will allow you to stockpile just in case. We're talking to my OH's consultant about doing the same.

twofingers how long have you been on here? (rhetorical question)

It’s not hyperbole it’s here in black and white on countless Brexi threads!!

6 or 7 years perhaps?
Your assertion that MN remainers have called leavers "thick, racist, lying lowlifes" most certainly is hyperbole and is not helpful.

People who don't vote & worse people who don't vote & then post viaduct smug threads deserve to burn in Hell

Oh I don’t know about this one. I think it was way too complex and issue for people to vote really. I don’t mean that in a patronising way but people just getting on with their day to day lives, hoe much would they know other than the sound bites leading up to the vote?

I have one friend that didn’t vote as she said she didn’t really get it all. I kind of think that’s sensible, no?