To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

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I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

I think the problem with agriculture is , very much like the 'poor', the UK has a tendency to view them as a homogenous mass. Which of course as anyone in agriculture will tell you simply isn't true, the land is farmed in the way that that the geography allows.

I am very fortunate to live in a 'rural' area, breath taking scenery galore, I can drive a tractor but you wouldn't want me to bring in a harvest and definitely not cut any hedges, I can teeth, testicle and tail your piglets (if that is even allowed now) , I have helped ewes lamb, I have put rings on said lambs tails, I can gut and pluck any decent sized bird and I can inject just about any farm animal should the need arise. I am not a farmer. I prefer an easier life

frumpety I love you

Time to grow up and change our minds about Brexit
www.fwi.co.uk/news/opinion-time-to-grow-up-and-change-our-minds-about-brexit

FW article, quite interesting but still can't resist personal digs at the EU.
The UK was at the top table but through it's own stupidity failed to really capitalise on this.

Sounds likes there’s a few of us here that can do practical stuff (been called upon to help with lambing, tractor driving and relief milking before now) but agree with frumpety, it’s a bloody hard life for not much financial reward. Especially in the marginal areas.

{ it’s a bloody hard life for not much financial reward.}
Certainly on small farms you have to want to do it as it is 24/7/365 plus overtime (without the extra pay).

I am astonished that someone thinks 'we got on fine before Masstricht' so we will be fine again.

Hopefully you are not imagining that the same customs infrastructure that existed back in 1992 can be taken out of storage, dusted off, and got up and running as if no technology advances or doubling of the volume of trade had occurred in the meantime...

@woman11017 that farmer's weekly article is excellent. The comments about EU were not especially harsh, in my view - it does have an "image problem ". Doesn't mean we get a better deal outside it.
I wish people would grow up.

mellongoose Wed 24-Oct-18 14:14:46
Wrong again! I'm just not afraid of the consequences....since we don't KNOW what they will be.

The fact that at this late stage of the game the consequences are not known should be deeply troubling to someone who trusts the relevant people to do their jobs and save you from chaos.

You may or may not be aware (I suspect the latter) that other countries have been busy publicising projected consequences of Brexit for them, and preparing businesses for a no deal outcome.

There are several players in this Brexit drama who have a financial interest in disaster.
www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2018-06-25/brexit-big-short-how-pollsters-helped-hedge-funds-beat-the-crash

This is quite a long read but everyone should understand how some people made hundreds of millions basically betting on a sterling nosedive on referendum day.

Opinion polls published in the British press during the critical final days of the campaign helped voters make up their minds—about both whether to take part in the referendum and which side they were on. But the relationships between polling firms and hedge funds in the lead-up to the vote, and on the day, created an inherent conflict. With one hand, pollsters fed the public information that affected the outcome and moved the markets. With the other, they sold data privately to clients betting on market moves created by their public-facing polls.

You all got played, not for the first time, and the game is nowhere near over.

Look up the term 'disaster capitalism'.
And stop making lazy assumptions.

That was in response to this startling piece of naivete:
It might be blind faith and trust, but not necessarily in politicians, but in those with a financial interest in making it work.... I guess that could/should include the politicians, but mostly big business.
mellongoose

"I am astonished that someone thinks 'we got on fine before Masstricht' so we will be fine again. "

We're not going back to 1992. We're not even going back to 1973. With hard Brexit we're going back to 1959 before we joined EFTA.

Panic over
Raab expects Brexit deal within three weeks

Unfortunately nobody had thought to tell May or Barnier, so that particular fantasy lasted less than 180 minutes.

Meanwhile, in less than 150 days ….

I doubt many people on here are old enough to remember life as an adult pre-Maastricht or pre- EU membership.
I'm sure your parents rubbed along ok and didn't know it could be so much better.
I was an adult pre-Maastricht and yes, I rubbed along ok and didn't know it could be better.
I also remember the 70s when even my lovely parents couldn't really hide how shit it was.

I am old enough to remember pre Maastricht and pre EEC too. I remember textile firms closing down as the work moved to the far east, and whole families being without work. I rmember the strikes of the early seventies too, which for those of you who are too young, were under a Tory administration.

This is an excellent thread - even if emergency measures are found to ensure food and medicine supplies there will still be enormous difficulties.

twitter.com/JP_Biz/status/1057944371889389568

It's scary how rich disaster capital people like ReesMogg have manipulated people into thinking the good old days were fab.
As someone who remembers power cuts and bread strikes, I don't want to go back there. Yes, our integrated economy has shortcomings but, shit, do you really want to go back to the bad old days of a struggling economy, isolated and fading? Grow the fuck up and get real.

Don't know whether to laugh or cry anymore. Apparently some Brexiteers are afraid that they will get the blame for No Deal catastrophe. Well, yeah!!!!

twitter.com/JamesERothwell/status/1057968217002512384

There are several players in this Brexit drama who have a financial interest in disaster.

I agree. In all of this there are people who are busy making a lot of money out of uncertainty and disaster. It is all a just a game to them. Links between senior government figures, hedge fund managers, political think tanks, lobbyists and media needs to be scrutinised and held to account. Let’s see if the criminal investigation into Arron Banks gets anywhere

I suspect that even if criminal funding of Vote Leave led directly from Putin through to Banks the referendum would still not be declared void.

Why on earth would Brexiteers (by which I include Leave voters) think some else was to blame for No Deal?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2018/oct/31/brexit-deal-could-be-done-by-21-november-raab-suggests

A u-turn already!

JOHN O'CONNELL: "Confirmation today from multiple US sources via our US colleagues that Nigel #Farage upgraded by FBI from 'Person of Interest' in Multiple Data Crimes to 'Actively being Investigated'.

Oh dear, poor Mr Farage, has his good friend POTUS said its fake news yet ?