To think people are creating hysteria around brexit

[whyispeppainthenightgarden]

I keep reading post about brexit And prepping and they seem to be crazy. Why are people creating so much hysteria around this. I can’t see how it would be beneficial to other countries to let it get in the state some posters are suggesting.

I mean I can’t see other countries In the case of a no deal letting diabetes ( using the example of insulin) die unnecessarily which is basically what is being suggested

Ah yes, rely on other countries for charity. That’ll show ‘em how much better off the UK is without them.

OP, you don’t seem to understand the basic principles of international trade. It’s not that medication won’t exist, it’s that there will be issues transporting it to the UK.

It's all about money... once we are out of the EU, there will be a fee that needs paying: Import / Export Duty.
So any "clever cloggs" with the facilities will stockpile some essential items... also known as sitting behind the fence and watching the chaos unfold. So in reality it's government giving advice to industry that there won't be a "free trade agreement".

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No. I meant England.

It is beyond comprehension. It is a distraction.

To be honest the fact no one can say what is happening is one of the reasons it’s not worrying me

Man alive. Seriously???

You think the fact that no one can tell you what is happening is a good thing?

Jesus actually wept

OP

Have you read the link I posted?

Without an agreement that is what is happening.

Read the link and then tell me not to worry.

The worst of it is, had this whole process been properly handled, planned for and all the rest of it, it could have worked.
Rubbish. The EU were never going to play ball.

I’ve NC because it’s outing due to the industry I work in.

We import wood.

We machine the wood in to products that are used to build houses and make home improvements.

Our industry, along with others, keeps the housing market going. Our products are sold in in UK specifically for the UK market.

We could buy wood from the UK but it’s not the same wood, it’s different, very different actually and not fit for purpose. Plus, there isn't a surplus of it.

The machines we use may need parts from the EU.

If we can’t make our products because we have no wood, or we have no running machines, houses won’t get built, or extended, or improved.

Without houses, we will make our already existing housing crisis worse.

We then also have no business if we can supply our customers.

That’s a lot of jobs gone if we can’t supply our customers.

And that’s just a little old import of wood from countries in the EU that we may not get. It’s also only one Company in the wood industry out of 100’s too, who will all face the same shit storm.

Now think about:
Food
Medicine
Fabric
Chemicals
Cars
Etc

The list is endless and it worries me that we have advice like “stock pile” products or materials which is near dam impossible for businesses, in particular FMCG .

Businesses don’t have money to stock pile. This impacts a number of different financial measures for businesses (ROCE, EBIT etc). It’s not that straightforward.

2019 scares me.

Really, OP, you are not worried because no one knows what will happen?

That’s one of the main reasons I didn’t actually vote - I really had no strong feelings either way and believed everything to be speculative

Oh FFS. You’re embarrassing yourself now.

YABU. Read the government's own impact statements and technical notices.

www.bbc.com/news/health-45958713

Basically anyone who suggests that people whose lives depend on medicine which the Government is talking about having to stockpile and charter ships to bring in, are getting a touch hysterical really is an absolute wanker of the highest order.

Try being dependent on Insulin and seeing suggestions that there might be shortages and have a bit of fucking compassion and understanding for fucks sake. I completely despair of some people.

People glibly trotting out they can’t see these things happening really isn’t any comfort. We’re not talking about possibly going a bit hungry, or rationing toilet roll or any other minor inconveniences, we are talking death which there really isn’t any coming back from last time I heard.

Hopefully it will all be fine but you are potentially gambling the life of my DH and my children’s father on it. I think we’re actually quite calm given the circumstances .

its not just the eu we are leaving - its a trading block encompassing more than one third of global gdp.

we'll be on our own, there is no country with which we could make deals to replace a fraction of what we lose and we'll be screwed in every deal we do make.

we were 5th economy by gdp, given the eu growth and our stasis we're now on a par or below france, we'll fall below brazil and could easily slip to a par with Italy - just depends on how badly we fall apart.

That wasn’t very well put by me, I mean I can’t see other countries In the case of a no deal letting diabetes ( using the example of insulin) die unnecessarily which is basically what is being suggested

Why does the idea of letting the British suffer or die surprise you? The whole world lets thousands of people die every day from treatable problems (starvation, poor water, disease etc). Surely it's common sense that this is a normal occurance?

OP, I don’t think you’re getting it.

What other countries would or wouldn’t do to help. The problem will be backlogs at OUR borders with nothing able to get through because no deal literally means having no arrangements in place for things like this.

You do know that there have been multiple cases in America of people dying because they can’t afford insulin? Did anyone do anything to stop it?

@whyispeppainthenightgarden

why don't you read the article linked too by HappyHello? the detail may be speculative but the direction is not.

www.docdroid.net/m3YvOS5/brexit-truth-revised.pdf

To be honest the fact no one can say what is happening is one of the reasons it’s not worrying me

Please, please tell me you're joking.

We are six months away from crashing out with no deal. Does it not concern you that no-one knows what's going to happen to food, medicine, transport, jobs, imports, exports, business, finance in six months' time?

and shortages, emergency deregulation etc present a goldmine for criminals worldwide - how long before fake drugs hit the market?

my daily drugs are made in warrington, unfortunately the precursors are imported from Germany - lack of them wont kill me, but it will shorten my life.

go through your cupboards, check where stuff is made, decide what you'll miss enough to actually care - pads perhaps? they aint going to be a priority shipment.

The world will not end when we leave the EU.

However, in the event of a no-deal Brexit, it will be harder and more expensive to import food, harder and more expensive to import medicines, harder to collaborate on matters of security and prevention of terrorism, harder to conduct scientific research, and harder to import labour from other countries in areas where it is necessary (nursing, medicine, agriculture etc). It will also be harder and more expensive to export goods and services.

The likely result of this is that the value of the pound will go down, the price of food and other goods will go up, and pressures on NHS budgets will ramp up. Some businesses will fail, and taxes may increase. The cost of living will go up, whilst incomes go down and services are pared back.

We all (or the vast majority of us) have reason to be deeply concerned.

It worries and upsets me that our government, and our country, have been misled by ideologues. Anyone who works in industry, healthcare or international business could tell you this was a terrible idea. There is one hell of a mess happening and it will take years to get out of. If indeed we ever do, so many sectors rely on workers or supplies from elsewhere.
My previous employers, based in Scandinavia, pulled out of the UK last year. The reasons they gave did not include brexit but I'm sure the uncertainty helped tip the balance against us.

Exactly, purits. We managed before cars and lorries. We can do without those too. Think of all those old battle ships in dry dock we could sail on over an use to liberate our goods from the French. Just like D-day!

Except for anything belonging to the chattering classes. They could all do with a day’s work and fewer luxuries, like insulin. Snotty bastards. Britain was great before the common market (which I didn’t vote for) and will be great again once those bullies in Brussels are shown who is boss. Those hoteliers in Spain need British tourist money so they can’t piss us off too much.

Do I win bingo?

I think that if as a government, you place a string of adverts for new roles paying £50k, looking for people who are expert in crisis management, you can’t be surprised if people don’t feel entirely comfortable.